Huh? Re: [Rhodes22-list] Exploding Porta Potties

Bill Effros bill at effros.com
Mon Nov 21 18:51:14 EST 2005


Mary Lou,

Did you look at the pictures?  I was thinking Porta Pottie, and looking 
at what looked something like offshore drilling platforms.  It took me a 
while to sort it all out.  Very funny.  I'd never seen this stuff 
before.  I wandered all over the site.  Did you see the banking 
information?  Of course I checked out the Notices to Mariners, and to 
Airmen, too--for Brad.

Bill Effros



Mary Lou Troy wrote:

> Bill,
> I've seen that before. Did you note they even have official Notices to 
> Mariners? There are only 2.
> http://www.sealandgov.org/notices/notm01702.html
> http://www.sealandgov.org/notices/notm01502.html
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
> At 06:17 PM 11/21/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> I've got a SeaLand from West Marine because that's all they had, but 
>> when I Googled SeaLand I got this hit--
>>
>> http://www.sealandgov.com/
>>
>> Even Herb is gonna like this one...
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> All I can say is you have way too complicated a porta-john.
>>>
>>> Ours is a Thetford 135 with a bellows pump and sliding closure a the 
>>> bottom of the bowl. I've never experienced the pressure build-up you 
>>> describe but if I suspected it, it would be easy to crack the 
>>> closure & then flush. Simple, few moving parts and only a 2.6 gallon 
>>> waste tank - which is why when we empty it every other day I can 
>>> carry it up the dock.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if we lived on a mooring like you do, we'd have a 
>>> marine head or plumb the porta-john to a deck pumpout fitting.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek MD
>>>
>>> At 11:12 AM 11/21/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe it's a "get the new-guy" thing, but the Porta-Potty advocates 
>>>> never seem to mention that Porta-Potties can blow out in your 
>>>> face--repeatedly.
>>>>
>>>> I developed plumbing problems with my marine head (which is 
>>>> terrific and completely odor-free when working properly) owing to 
>>>> barnacle build up on the inlet side.  On the advice of this list, I 
>>>> decided to switch over to a Porta Potty this year, which I planned 
>>>> to eventually plumb into the rest of my marine head system.  
>>>> Luckily the project was more complex, and launch time too short, so 
>>>> my boat went to sea with just a standard Porta-Potty.
>>>>
>>>> I have mentioned this before--as far as I'm concerned, the best 
>>>> feature of a Rhodes-22 is that a man can make a pee while standing 
>>>> up with no risk of falling overboard.
>>>>
>>>> My first disappointment with the Porta Potty was that the lower 
>>>> portion is far more bulky than the small marine heads Stan 
>>>> installs, forcing me to lean into the hatch opening at an 
>>>> off-balance angle.
>>>> It wasn't quite as satisfying as the no hands required to hold you 
>>>> upright position I had grown so accustomed to, but I felt I could 
>>>> live with it.
>>>>
>>>> Then came the big surprise!
>>>>
>>>> It was a hot summer day.  Time for a great pee.  I did my business 
>>>> while surveying a lovely ocean vista.  Now, I know the women in 
>>>> this crowd will have no sympathy for what happened next...It is 
>>>> impossible to flush a Porta Potty while standing up, facing 
>>>> forward, with your upper body protruding through an open hatch.  
>>>> You must back out of the head, and, while in this bent-over 
>>>> position, your head mere inches away from the potty seat, grab the 
>>>> potty handle and pull it toward you as you exit the enclosure.
>>>>
>>>> Did I mention that it was a HOT summer day?
>>>>
>>>> Most of you have the picture in your minds by now.  The lower 
>>>> portion of a Porta Potty is air tight.  That's why you can't smell 
>>>> what's inside.
>>>> On a hot summer day, that air expands.  But on a new Porta Potty, 
>>>> it has no place to go--until you pull that handle!
>>>>
>>>> Then it blows your business right into your face which is mere 
>>>> inches from the seat.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I know the women in this crowd are going to say "Just put 
>>>> down the seat!" but if that advice, which has always been in my 
>>>> best interest, hasn't always been followed for lo these many years 
>>>> of marriage, it's not likely to always be followed now, either.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to remember to let out the air before pulling the handle 
>>>> when there was anything in the upper chamber.  But on hot days, the 
>>>> pressure could build up again, over and over.  I just didn't 
>>>> remember every time.  (It's the same with the toilet seat--I know I 
>>>> remember most of the time, but my wife only remembers the splashes 
>>>> in the middle of the night followed by husband-awakening invective.)
>>>>
>>>> After 3 or 4 more explosions I pulled out the Porta Potty, and 
>>>> replaced it with my old marine head.  Life has been much better 
>>>> ever since.
>>>>
>>>> Let me mention, also, another factor I found daunting in my Porta 
>>>> Potty experience.  A gallon of water weighs 8.33 pounds.  A large 
>>>> porta potty holds 6 gallons of water.  That's 50 pounds of sloshing 
>>>> s..............stuff you're walking around with, hoping not to pull 
>>>> the wrong handle by mistake.
>>>>
>>>> My boat is moored 1/2 mile from shore.  The nearest clean out 
>>>> facility is 1/4 mile from the dock.  My wife didn't take well to 
>>>> the notion of bringing the tank back home in the back of the car.  
>>>> Sure, I could have done it more often, but the clean out procedure 
>>>> is just as foul as you would imagine it to be, and walking around 
>>>> with 25 pounds of effluent is no picnic, either--especially if you 
>>>> have to do it twice as often.
>>>>
>>>> When I have my boat recycled I'm going to talk to Stan about what 
>>>> we're going to do next.  Using fresh water on the inlet side of the 
>>>> head is the best way to go.  It totally eliminates all odors which 
>>>> are mainly caused by little creatures pulled in with the sea water 
>>>> that die in the tank.  The tank and pump out systems have always 
>>>> worked perfectly.  If all I have to do is replace the valves on the 
>>>> marine head every couple of years, I'll gladly do that maintenance 
>>>> in exchange for a far preferable marine head system as far as I'm 
>>>> concerned.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William E. Wickman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ron, et. al.,
>>>>> Everyone has an opinion about marine heads vs. porta-pottie, so 
>>>>> here is
>>>>> mine.  When I was first looking at a Rhodes, having a marine head 
>>>>> was an
>>>>> important criteria.  At one point, I had considered going the full 
>>>>> monty; a
>>>>> marine head with holding tank, macerator, and even an electra-san.
>>>>> However, after reading the archives and upon further reflection, I 
>>>>> realized
>>>>> that the main reason that I wanted one was not for practical 
>>>>> reasons, but
>>>>> because it would make me feel more yachty.  The Rhodes is not a 
>>>>> large boat.
>>>>> That is what makes it so appealing, because it doesn't have all 
>>>>> the big
>>>>> boat problems.  As I read somewhere else on the list, it seems 
>>>>> like those
>>>>> big boat sailors that have marine heads are always having to fix 
>>>>> something
>>>>> on them.  Moreover, unless you keep the holding tank empty and 
>>>>> clean, there
>>>>> always seems to be an odor.  Simple is good.  I realized that I am 
>>>>> not
>>>>> going to be living on this boat, and the longest that I will 
>>>>> probably ever
>>>>> stay out is a week (maybe two if I'm lucky).  90+% of the time I 
>>>>> am out on
>>>>> the boat for a day sail or overnighter.  I believe that most 
>>>>> Rhodies will
>>>>> confess a similar percentage.  I ended up with a boat that has 
>>>>> just the
>>>>> porta-pottie, and have been very happy with it.  There is zero 
>>>>> maintenance
>>>>> with it, and it is very easy to dump anywhere there is a toilet.
>>>>> Granted
>>>>> it is a bit more hands-on than a pumpout, but a porta-pottie is 
>>>>> much easier
>>>>> to keep sanitized than a non-removeable holding tank.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll finish with a true story.  I was on vacation during the 
>>>>> summer of 2004
>>>>> chartering a 45 foot sailboat in the San Juan Islands.  It was a 
>>>>> wonderful
>>>>> trip.  We had just docked for the evening in a marina on San Juan 
>>>>> Island
>>>>> and were walking off the docks to town when I saw the skipper of a 
>>>>> rather
>>>>> nice yacht in the process of emptying his holding tank into a 
>>>>> "honey pot".
>>>>> At this particular marina, they had tanks mounted on wheels with 
>>>>> electric
>>>>> pumps that they called honey pots.  It was a self-serve system 
>>>>> that enabled
>>>>> you to empty your sewage at your slip without having to go to a 
>>>>> pump-out
>>>>> station.  Well, right as we were passing by, something went 
>>>>> amiss.  The
>>>>> hose popped out of the holding tank fitting and drenched the 
>>>>> skipper who
>>>>> was bending over the hose fitting.  After everyone around finished 
>>>>> their
>>>>> collective Eeeeew, there was a bit of laughter by the small crowd 
>>>>> that
>>>>> always seems to gather around when some such activity as emptying 
>>>>> a holding
>>>>> tank is taking place.  It looked just like something out of a 
>>>>> comedy.  The
>>>>> skipper didn't think it was very funny though, and proceeded to 
>>>>> spew a
>>>>> string of profanities that required me to clap my hands over my 8 
>>>>> year
>>>>> old's hears and quickly usher her away.  Moral of the story:  A
>>>>> porta-pottie will not blow-out in your face.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill W.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             eroncol at aol.com
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Ed K., I do exist.  Been busy and not always near a computer.
>>>>> Sorry about
>>>>> the delay.  Thanks to you, Mary Lou, Steve Hemphill and Russell 
>>>>> Miller for
>>>>> your responses.
>>>>> I live in Wynnewood, PA, Mary Lou.  I must get hold of your 
>>>>> chapter in
>>>>> "Sailing Small."   Thanks for the references Ed.  I will look at 
>>>>> them.  I
>>>>> already see abut the differing opinions, answers and facts,  
>>>>> though each of
>>>>> you say newer is better.  Actually that is true of your comments 
>>>>> re boat
>>>>> and motor.
>>>>> I've used marine head but never have used a porta-potti. Seems 
>>>>> there are
>>>>> differences of opinion both about enclosed head and about porta-potti
>>>>> versus marine head.  Why prefer the porta-potti?  I assume as Ed 
>>>>> says, that
>>>>> this may be in the archives.   I will look.
>>>>> Looks like I've got some thinking to do.  And some talking to Stan.
>>>>>                               Ron Coleman
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