[Rhodes22-list] Buying a Used Outboard from General Boats
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Nov 25 10:27:48 EST 2005
Mark,
(Ed's right, please sign all mail to the list so we don't have to search
files to figure out what you call yourself.)
Spend as much on unique R-22 items as you can, and as little on items
you can always get anywhere. The most difficult aspect of your
transaction with Stan will be learning to trust Stan. None of us is
accustomed to doing business this old fashioned way, anymore.
Your sails are your most critical component from a safety perspective.
The motor is merely a convenience. You want a motor that starts
easily. That's it. Doesn't really matter what size. 2 strokes are
more reliable than 4 strokes. If it came off a sailboat, the motor will
probably have fewer hours on it than a new car owner puts on his car in
the first month. (My 13 year old motor has less than 100 hours on
it--I'm on my boat 50-75 times a year, and I use the motor every time I
leave the mooring.)
Take the least expensive easy starting motor Stan has. He will pick the
motor for you, and tell you what it will cost. Use it to move yourself
out of harm's way, while you learn to control the boat with its sails.
You will immediately know if you can rely on it to start when you need
it. (Many owners of new motors have discovered at really bad times that
they could not rely on their motors to start when they needed them.)
Start each sail by starting your motor, and using it to move you a
certain distance. Then you can be sure that you have remembered to
prime the engine (the R-22 motor mount holds the engine above the gas
tank if your gas tank is not part of the engine--air bubbles always form
as gas flows back into the tank between sails), remembered to open the
vent on your gas tank, not flooded a cold engine in a panic, don't have
fouled spark plugs, have put the motor in neutral...etc.--all the things
you can't possibly be thinking of in an emergency situation when you
really need that engine to start on the first pull.
If the engine Stan picks for you doesn't start on the first pull, you
will know right away. Speak to Stan. He is a gentleman, and he will
do the right thing--either teach you to start the engine properly, or
replace your engine with one that does start easily.
While you are getting to know your boat and your local waters, you
shouldn't have much need for the engine. Learn to do everything under
sail power . Learn to anchor in emergency situations. (Anchoring is
far more reliable than motoring out of trouble. It gives you time to
think.) Learn to moor. Learn to dock. Learn to pull into slips -- all
under sail power -- so that if your engine ever fails, you will be able
to fall back to your true fall back -- your sails. (Start the engine,
and put it into the water idling while you learn these skills so you can
bail if you have to. Learn to retract your sails quickly without ever
fouling the lines. It takes a while to develop all these skills, but
it's fun.)
Concentrate on items you may have decided to pass on because you thought
you had to spend more money on an engine. Pop-Top Enclosure. Captains
Seats. Cockpit Fill In Cushions. Boom Room. Etc.
Bill Effros
mputnam1 at aol.com wrote:
>I'm curious how people have faired with used outboards they purchased from GB as part of a recyle ... we're considering it, but because I view the outboard as potentially a critical component from a safety perspective, I'm inclined to buy new rather than try and save a buck. But maybe all of you recycle customers have had good luck with Stan's used outboards ...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Connolly <jbconnolly at comcast.net>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:21:00 -0500
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Carb problems with NISSAN outboards?
>
>
> Bill,
>
>Could very well be true. I don't have the Link 10, so I can only judge by
>result, that the battery (1, used, from Stan as part of the recycle) ends
>the relatively short summer season up here kind of pooped. I did not have
>solar panels, but bought a set and will install them prior to launch in the
>spring. I will also likely get a new battery.
>
>BTW 4" of snow in my yard this morning northwest of Boston. Happy
>Thanksgiving to all
>
>Jim Connolly
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:05 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Carb problems with NISSAN outboards?
>
>Jim,
>
>As I understand it, all electric starting motors recharge batteries.
>Some may require a wire to be rigged up, but all will do it. I have the
>Tohatsu 8, electric start, and I also have a Link 10 electrical monitor. I
>also use the engine primarily just to get into and out of a mooring field.
>I was surprised at how much juice the engine puts back into the battery in a
>very short time as measured by my meter. It always returns more electricity
>than was required to start the engine.
>
>I have 2 solar panels, 2 batteries, and the Tohatsu. I never take the
>batteries off the boat, summer or winter. They are never recharged using
>shore power. They maintain high voltages (13.25-14.05) for their entire
>extended lives. My batteries routinely last for more than double their
>expected lives. I have far more power on board than I have ever needed, and
>I'm never careful with it.
>
>I suspect you are underestimating the amount of electricity your Tohatsu is
>putting back into your battery.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>Jim Connolly wrote:
>
>
>
>>2002 Tohatsu 8 has been bulletproof so far. Not sure about ethanol
>>additive as I live in MA. Also the least expensive electric start
>>motor I could find (at request of wife who hates to pull start).
>>Charging soil came with it but has been a waste of $ since I don't run
>>the engine long enough to recharge the battery, just inside the mooring
>>
>>
>field.
>
>
>>Previous boat had a Nissan 5. This also was trouble free.
>>
>>Good luck
>>
>>Jim Connolly
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lou Rosenberg
>>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:55 AM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Carb problems with NISSAN outboards?
>>
>> Peter, Bill
>> Sorry to go back to this post but I have found some word of mouth
>>info on the Nissan/ Tohatsu motors and want to confirm it with anyone
>>on this list's experience.
>> I heard from a sailor in my marina that the 2004 Nissan outboards DO
>>NOT RUN WELL AT ALL with ETHANOL added to the fuel. In NYC we have
>>ethanol added during the some parts of the season .
>> Does any one have any experiences with bad carbureators on the NISSAN
>>or Tohasu OB motors?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Peter,
>>>
>>>6.5 Pitch Prop.
>>>
>>>I know mechanically what that means, but I never understand what it
>>>does. What is the standard prop for motorboats? Why?
>>>
>>>I want a prop that will allow me to go slow. There is a lot of wind
>>>and current where I dock. I want a prop that will allow me to slowly
>>>approach the dock, whether or not there is wind and current, without
>>>disengaging the prop, without stalling out, and without forcing me to
>>>coast in for the last 5 to 100 feet depending on wind and current
>>>conditions.
>>>
>>>I don't care if I have to rev higher to get the boat to hull speed.
>>>
>>>What prop do I want?
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>Peter Thorn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Lou,
>>>>
>>>>Congratulations on completing that ugly task. May everything be
>>>>downhill for you from here on. I bought Tohatsu 9.8 for Raven, but I
>>>>really wanted an 8hp. At the time the distributor was all out of 8s,
>>>>so I settled because I needed it then. The motor weighs 82 pounds
>>>>same as the 8, the lightest 4 stroke on the market. Added a 6.5
>>>>pitch prop, (for sailboats) and everything works quite well. 95% of
>>>>the time, Raven motors at 1/16 throttle and 4-4.5 knots. It's the
>>>>best compromise for most quiet, least vibration and best speed
>>>>through water there. Less than 1/2 gal per hour fuel consumption there
>>>>
>>>>
>too.
>
>
>>>>Any time I would like, I can twist up to 1/4 throttle and hull speed.
>>>>Beyond that, just bigger and bigger waves. That
>>>>9.8 can really make some big ones!
>>>>
>>>>Just returned from Oriental to Ocracoke -- fantastic trip! Waiting
>>>>to exchange pictures with my fellow adventurers and write up my log
>>>>notes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>then
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>will post to the list. Not sure I can do better than Chris G though. A
>>>>real South Western Odysseus!
>>>>
>>>>PT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Rosenberg"
>>>><lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu>
>>>>To: "Richard Smith" <sailnut at worldnet.att.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:16 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lou's CB trunk almost done
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Richard,
>>>>>Ok I will look into Eldridge, and I do plan to time my passage.
>>>>>So you are saying that an 8hp is plenty for the Rhodes in most
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>situations?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lou
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>< will a 8hp Tohatsu get me around Hells Gate where the Triboro
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bridge meets the East River, with the tide coming in and the
>>>>>>>current going south?>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Five horsepower is plenty. The speed of the current in this area
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>exceed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the hull speed of the boat. No reasonable amount of power will
>>>>>>overcome that limitation. Get a copy of Eldridge and time your
>>>>>>passages to take advantage of the current not fight it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The heavy engine on the stern will worsen the hobby horsing
>>>>>>tendency and associated cavitation in rough conditions. Exactly
>>>>>>when you don't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>need .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>Richard Smith
>>>>>>
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