[Rhodes22-list] P-Reply to Bill Bennett

Sat Oct 1 10:27:49 EDT 2005

You said:

"who had been denied all opportunity for wealth and education for centuries (enslaved even) and then whenever one individual tried to make something of themselves, they were called "uppity" "

and then

"there are rich blacks, middle class blacks, and very poor blacks"

Hmmmm, wonder how those rich and middle class blacks got beyond being called "uppity" and the suppression you folks heaped on them?

"..., and dragged out to the nearest tree (remember "Southern Fruit"? or in Texas... Pickup Drag?)"

Yep, I remember "pickup drag". Best I remember it, the guy was found guilty and sentenced to die. Of course, it will take a few years, thanks to some idiot liberals around the country....

"all the ways us European whites have created the illusion that we are somehow superior"

Well shame on those folks. I was technically "European" until I hit 18, when I declared my US citizenship. But I spent most of my time in the US, and thus don't consider myself European any more.. I am curious about something historically though, do the African blacks who sold their enemies into slavery to those European whites bear any responsibility in this ongoing angst of blame? 

" if you can get beyond your superiority complex, you will get an entirely different perspective on people with black skin.

Your ignorance really does know no bounds, does it. What have you based this "superiority complex" of mine, on? My attitude about blacks or other minorities? See, that's ignorance. First of all, you don't even KNOW what race I am. Ignorance Saroj, spouting your mouth off without having a clue what you're talking about. We've got this stupid family tradition, where we have children given "family names". My brother Bill was named after my mother's step-father, William. I have about 40 or 50 first cousins (Big Mamma had 11 kids, so 50 cousins wasn't out of the question). Of those 40 cousins, probably at LEAST of 5 of the boys are named William after our "Paw Paw". I'm named Herbert after my Uncle. I've always hated that name, but hey, it's a family tradition. Then I had a cousin born when I was a kid and living in Asia (ooops, there goes your "visit another country plan, huh?) and my Aunt wrote us to let us know she was naming him after me, adding the same middle name to seal the deal. I was honored, but was just a kid, so I'm sure it was just a family tradition. Then more recently, one of my other aunts had a daughter who adopted a little boy. She named him after me as well. That "Little Herbie" introduced a new faction in our family, he was the first black in our family. At least, the first we know of. Of course, we've had Hispanics in the family for years, my step-father is a Mexican national, we love going down and visiting his family outside of Monterey. 

The point of all the above is to point out the fact that you're basing your rant on ignorance Saroj. It's almost funny, and it's a shame in a way, but it certainly speaks nothing of YOUR level of intelligence.

"Maybe you should take on the job of the U.S. PR person... get out a little, travel around... you might see an entirely different world than you are able to imagine right now...."

Again, ignorance. Just because I haven't made it a point to regularly mention on here the various countries I've been to, as you have, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I was actually born in Germany. I've lived in other parts of Europe as well as Asia, and have visited many other countries (including Grenada, you ignorant ass). I've made South America, but not Australia or Africa yet, even though they're on my "before I die" list. Think I'm going to skip Antarctica though, I'm a warm weather person. 

"Gosh... I was just about to get over my dislike of all things Texas and you showed up."

Hmmm, now who has her "panties in a twist". Oh my, whatever shall we do, an ignorant self-righteous liberal ass doesn't like anything "Texas". Well, guess you can get back to your "getting over your dislike", I'm not Texan. I was born in Germany, not Texas. Folks around here tell me you have to be born here to be a Texan. They're afraid of outsiders coming in and screwing things up.

And NONE of the below rant answered my question as to the validity of the statement that Bennet made. As a matter of fact, it merely explained the reason the statement he made is true. Aborting all black WOULD reduce the crime rate, since black have disproportionately higher crime rate. He made the statement to show how ridiculous the argument that the caller cited was.

Now, go unbind your knickers (now then, THAT'S a disgusting thought), put some visine in your eyes, and wipe the spittle off your keyboard. That was your reflection you were seeing babe, not me... 

Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
  1976 O'Day 25
  Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
  1971 Coronado 35
  Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast

>>> saroj at pathfind.net 10/1/2005 7:12:06 AM >>>
Wow... you sure got your knickers in a twist over this.. face red, eyes, 
bulging, sputtering spit all over the keyboard... quite a sight..

Why do I no longer think Bennett is intelligent?  Cause you'd have to be an 
idiot to not realize how blatantly insensitive, inflammatory and absurd that 
statement was.. and yes, I did hear it, although just the clip... but 
including the part about how reprehensible it would be, blah, blah, blah....

Frankly I think if anyone took 2 minutes to think beyond the statistics, one 
would realize that if there were any group, easily distinguishable by color 
or physical appearance, who had been denied all opportunity for wealth and 
education for centuries (enslaved even) and then whenever one individual 
tried to make something of themselves, they were called "uppity", and 
dragged out to the nearest tree (remember "Southern Fruit"? or in Texas... 
Pickup Drag?),  there would be an ingrained cultural hatred and profound 
resignation about becoming a good citizen ready to pick oneself up by one's 
bootstraps... I'm talking cultural, not individual... expect a few more 
generations of opportunities and assistance with a leg up (NOT welfare.... 
opportunities)...

I don't know how old you are, nor care, but I lived through the civil rights 
movement... this is RECENT history and if you think that we have stripped 
from our society all the ways us European whites have created the illusion 
that we are somehow superior and have (and plan to keep) all the goodies --  
now subtle, previously blatant -- then you'd better do some reading and open 
your eyes.

As it happens, I live in a black city... yes... black... most of the 
population is black, there is a black university, the leaders are black... 
Hampton, VA... my family was aghast when I moved here... "be sure to lock 
your doors"...  I feel quite safe here, have never had anything stolen out 
of the yard, am not bothered in the least... I like living here... I like 
living around blacks...they have a different perspective and cultural 
manifestations which I really enjoy... I could NEVER live in a homogenous, 
fear-ridden, gated community!  Here in Hampton there are rich blacks, middle 
class blacks, and very poor blacks... Do you think the crime rate is high 
amongst the rich blacks?  how about the middle class blacks?  Frankly I 
don't know... but I would be more than willing to bet that it is amongst the 
poor blacks... Whacha think?  Have you ever visited a country that was "all" 
black and governed itself... go to Granada sometime... if you can get beyond 
your superiority complex, you will get an entirely different perspective on 
people with black skin.

Maybe you should take on the job of the U.S. PR person... get out a little, 
travel around... you might see an entirely different world than you are able 
to imagine right now....

Gosh... I was just about to get over my dislike of all things Texas and you 
showed up.

Saroj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P-Reply to Bill Bennett

Oh right Saroj. You now "realize" that? And why is it that you "realize" 
that? Is it because you actually heard the broadcast, or is it because you 
took someone's word for what was said?

So, was Bennet's statement "extreme" because it was untrue? Do you deny that 
a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by black? If it's true, then 
his statement is true.

Maybe he's lacking in intelligence because he said such an action would be 
reprehensible?

Maybe his only real lacking was in his blind assumption that people would be 
able to follow the point he was making.

He forgot about liberals.

What did Bill Bennet's comment have to do with President Bush? Oh wait, 
silly me, EVERYTHING you don't like has to with President Bush...

Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
  1976 O'Day 25
  Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
  1971 Coronado 35
  Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast

>>> saroj at pathfind.net 9/30/2005 10:14:28 PM >>>
Bill... too funny!

I used to think Bill Bennett was extreme, but intelligent. Now I realize he
is just extreme.

Damn good thing Bush hired the PR gal, Hughes (now referred to as Osama's
little helper).  She must have a huge staff to think up creative spin
verbiage to convince the rest of the world that we aren't total idiots.  But
what the hey... zillions for a barely-used cruise ship; $2000 for some tarps
on the roof... (gosh I had my entire roof done for $1100 ... just the
labor)... but that was with a black crew so obviously it was done poorly and
will leak like a sieve... too bad they weren't aborted...

I wonder what the cost is to house a common, everyday criminal as opposed to
the country club criminal, the likes of Martha and, soon, Frist and DeLay...
bet the country club set isn't out on the highways mowing the grass for .25
an hour.

Saroj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 9:36 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] P-Reply to Bill Bennett

> In reply to gambling addict Bill Bennett's comment on the air yesterday
> that aborting all black fetuses would lower America's crime rate, perhaps
> aborting all Republican fetuses would lower America's white collar crime
> rate.
>
> courtesy of the Ed Schultz show.
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