[Rhodes22-list] Blame the

Fri Sep 9 15:25:17 EDT 2005

Wrong,
 He has been recalled to washington to oversee from there. Fema #2 will take 
over on scene command.
 Hank

 On 9/9/05, Bradley, David <david.bradley at sap.com> wrote: 
> 
> Just came over the wires - Brown is out.
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:59 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the
> 
> Herb,
> 
> Are you intentionally missing the point for political purposes?
> 
> The disaster response was mismanaged. Thousands of Americans died as a
> result. If the failures are
> covered up rather than examined they cannot be corrected. This is not a
> political issue. The only thing
> that matters is that FEMA be improved to operate more effectively next
> time. We could start by
> replacing Mr. Michael Brown, the fellow appointed by the President
> despite the fact that he has who
> no disaster management experience, with an experienced professional. If
> you dispute this claim
> about Mr. Brown's lack of experience just access the FEMA website and
> read his resume.
> 
> Hugh
> >
> > From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri PM 01:02:26 EDT
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the
> >
> > Sorry Bill, your attempts to turn this to your political agenda is
> wrong. Most of it was an act of God,
> the majority of the rest is an act of people that didn't believe what
> they were told, and chose to stay
> (many are STILL making that choice). I've never seen so many bull-headed
> people so determined to
> fulfill there own political agenda's on the graves of these poor people.
> At the risk of sounding
> personal, your attitude and comments disgust me.
> >
> > Herb Parsons
> >
> > S/V O'Jure
> > 1976 O'Day 25
> > Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >
> > S/V Reve de Papa
> > 1971 Coronado 35
> > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >
> > >>> bill at effros.com 9/7/2005 11:50:56 AM >>>
> > Wally,
> >
> > The death and destruction unfolding on the Gulf Coast is not an "Act
> of
> > God", and I'm going to speak up when anyone tries to shift the
> > responsibility for this ongoing tragedy from our federal government
> > either to God or to the victims.
> >
> > The killing damage was not done by the hurricane in New Orleans. The
> > center of the hurricane narrowly missed to the East. Gulfport was
> flattened.
> >
> > The killing damage in New Orleans happened as a result of Federally
> > built levees, designed to withstand Category 3 storms, failing, and
> > allowing the city to fill with water. The Federal Government then
> > failed to understand that a catastrophe far worse than any hurricane
> was
> > in the process of unfolding.
> >
> > You may remember the discussion on this list about the Army Corps of
> > Engineers saying the water was going to be no problem--that as soon as
> 
> > the level of the lake water fell below the level of the levee, New
> > Orleans would naturally drain right back out into the lake. Just
> don't
> > plug up the holes. I said that was stupid then. Is there anyone
> today
> > who wants to argue that it was smart?
> >
> > The citizens of New Orleans, along with virtually all of their
> > politicians, begged the federal government to strengthen the levees
> for
> > 30 years prior to this collapse. The Federal government actually
> > reduced the amount of money, and refused to upgrade the levees.
> >
> > This is a political disaster, not a natural disaster, although the
> Swift
> > Boat Captains are already out there, trying to rearrange the facts to
> > fit their politics.
> >
> > More Americans will die as a result of this man made disaster than
> will
> > die in Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11 combined. I have many friends in
> New
> > Orleans who still have not been heard from. We all hope they just
> have
> > been too busy to call any of us who were out, or who got out.
> >
> > When a judge ruled after 10 years that a feeding tube could legally be
> 
> > pulled out of Terri Schiavo, the entire Republican Political machine
> > hopped on airplanes, interrupted vacations, passed legislation, and
> > attempted to "save" that one life.
> >
> > When perhaps 10,000 people in New Orleans were dying, President Bush
> > never left his ranch except for fund raisers, Congress did not
> > reconvene, Dick Cheney never left his ranch at all, Condeleeza Rice
> went
> > to see "Spamalot", emergency powers were not invoked, FEMA didn't even
> 
> > know what was going on, and made the problem worse by turning away
> help
> > that was offered, saying it was not needed, no one asked for
> aircraft...
> >
> > And then, Our President told the head of the Federal Agency who he had
> 
> > appointed to be in charge of Federal Emergency Management "Brownie,
> > you're doin' a heck of a job!"
> >
> > Wally, I am mad as hell. I don't think either my politics or my
> > judgment is clouded. My friends are dying, and our government is
> > spending more time trying to cloud your judgment, than it is trying to
> 
> > address the issues. If Herb, or Brad, or Ed, or anyone else tries to
> > shift the responsibility for this tragedy from the government that
> > actually created it, to the victims who are still literally fighting
> for
> > their lives, they're going to hear from me.
> >
> > I think of you as a fair minded person who weighs all sides of issues.
> 
> > If you are confused on this issue, and think that it is my judgment
> that
> > is clouded, then I must address that. I'm not mad at you.
> >
> > Our President said on national television, 3 days after the levees
> broke:
> >
> > "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."
> >
> > That is catastrophic, tragic, stupidity. It is obviously not true on
> > the face of it. It is the mark of a government that takes no
> > responsibility for any failed policy or action.
> >
> > MY judgment is clouded by my politics? I don't think so.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > Wally Buck wrote:
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Often I agree with you, sometimes I don't. Your politics are
> clouding
> > > your judgement. This is a Natural Disaster. Try to keep that in
> mind.
> > > This is not the man trying to keep the poor down. Barbara Bush's
> > > comment could be misread by those trying to do so. My take; she was
> > > commenting that for many they are trying to look at the bright side.
> 
> > > They were coming from a less than ideal situation and were hopeful
> the
> > > change might help them. It looked to me like she was trying tio
> help.
> > >
> > >
> > > It does seem the the guy running FEMA was in no way qualified for
> his
> > > job.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> > >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the Victims
> > >> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:04:54 -0400
> > >>
> > >> Wally,
> > >>
> > >> The campaign to blame the victims is ramping up. Especially if the
> 
> > >> victims are poor and black. The nearby predominantly white city of
> 
> > >> Chalmette was also wiped out. Gulfport's evacuation plan didn't
> > >> work, either. Biloxi's didn't work. (For that matter, the Key
> West
> > >> Evacuation plan never works, and just remains a bad joke.) St.
> > >> Bernard Parish still hasn't received any Federal help:
> > >>
> > >> "This is Day 8, guys. Everything was diverted first to New Orleans,
> 
> > >> we understand that. But do you realize we got 18 to 20 feet of
> water
> > >> from the storm, and we've still got 7 to 8 feet of water?" said Ron
> 
> > >> Silva, a district fire chief. "If you had dropped a bomb on this
> > >> place, it couldn't be any worse than this."
> > >>
> > >> "Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish near New Orleans
> > >> sobbing, told of an emergency management official receiving phone
> > >> calls from his mother, who, trapped in a nursing home, pleaded day
> > >> after day for rescue. Assured by federal officials, the man
> promised
> > >> her repeatedly that help was on the way.
> > >>
> > >> "Every day she called him and said, "Are you coming, son? Is
> somebody
> > >> coming?' " Mr. Broussard said. "And he said, 'Yeah, Mama,
> somebody's
> > >> coming to get you.' Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday.
> > >> Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get
> 
> > >> you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday. And she
> > >> drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night."
> > >>
> > >> Look at identical pictures of people wading through flood waters
> > >> holding food--the caption under the black guy's picture is "Looters
> 
> > >> Running Rampant in New Orleans" the caption under the white guy's
> > >> picture is "Residents Finding Food to Stay Alive".
> > >>
> > >> And now this news from Barbara Bush:
> > >>
> > >> "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay
> 
> > >> in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality and so many
> 
> > >> of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged
> > >> anyway, so this is working very well for them."
> > >>
> > >> Bill Effros
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> brad haslett wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Wally,
> > >>>
> > >>> It will be years before NO recovers from this, the
> > >>> nation as well, and there will be lots of failing
> > >>> grades passed around when all the investigations are
> > >>> over. In the meantime, a lot of people are still
> > >>> suffering and still need our help, and money, or both.
> > >>>
> > >>> The last revision of a bad plan from the city of NO
> > >>> was to make and distribute DVD's before this years
> > >>> hurricane season, educating the citizens that in the
> > >>> event of a major hurricane, "you are on your own". The city plan
> > >>> also included using the city and school
> > >>> system bus fleet for evacuation but even that wasn't
> > >>> implemented.
> > >>>
> > >>> As we speak, the National Guard is still under command
> > >>> of the LA governor. If regular military units
> > >>> step-in, they can engage in relief efforts only, not
> > >>> law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus Act. Every
> > >>> FEMA engagement plan assumes that the local
> > >>> authorities will control the first 72 hours. It is
> > >>> painfully clear that NO either could not or would not
> > >>> do that. "Cowboy" Bush could have stepped up to the
> > >>> plate and taken over the whole operation early-on
> > >>> through his emergency powers, something no President
> > >>> has done since Reconstruction.
> > >>>
> > >>> Unless we are willing to re-write the constitution
> > >>> dividing the separations of local/state/federal power,
> > >>> we have to assume that each level of government will
> > >>> do their part at the appropriate time. If they can't
> > >>> or won't, these are the results we get. Tragically
> > >>> for the citizens of NO, a lot of elected officials
> > >>> failed to do their part.
> > >>>
> > >>> The lesson that should be burning in all our 'noggins'
> > >>> as we discuss these issues is this: Take
> > >>> responsibility for you and your family's welfare. Be
> > >>> a Boy Scout - be prepared.
> > >>>
> > >>> Brad
> > >>>
> > >>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> As always it is hard to figure out the truth. One
> > >>>> thing for sure I have never seen anything like this. It does
> seems
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> many mistakes were made by local, State and Federal officials.
> You
> > >>>> can also
> > >>>> second guess anyone who had the means to leave but stayed. I
> can't
> > >>>> see murder
> > >>>> charges for officials but it does seem that Home Land Security
> > >>>> running FEMA is
> > >>>> a cluster f**k.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Did FEMA really send water back? Was the Guard
> > >>>> authorization form just haning out of a fax machine waiting a
> > >>>> signature or
> > >>>> what? I am not a big Bush fan but it is hard for me to believe
> that
> > >>>> the whole
> > >>>> delay was because Bush was chopping wood. Local officials let the
> 
> > >>>> people
> > >>>> down years ago by not developing a solid plan. It cost dearly,
> > >>>> hopefully
> > >>>> other areas learn from this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A nice three days sailing! What a weekend.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Wally
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> > >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
> > >>>>> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:28:38 -0400
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Nice try, Ed, but it won't wash.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1/2 the Louisiana National Guard was in Iraq--along
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> with all of their meals
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ready to eat, and most of their equipment. (We
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> have now asked your friends
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> in France to send us food and water trucks.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Walmart immediately sent
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> water, but FEMA sent it back saying New Orleans
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> didn't need it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The Director of Homeland Security and the Head of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> FEMA both said they
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> didn't even know there were 15,000 people totally
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> at the mercy of roving
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> gangs within the New Orleans Convention Center at a
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> time when news
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> organizations were reporting about it on national
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> television from the site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The Governor and Mayor immediately called other
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> states for help, and the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> other Governors were ready to send, but W. was
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> clearing brush in Texas,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Condi was shopping in NYC, -- (August is a vacation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> month) -- and there was
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> no one in DC to authorize the transfer of National
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Guard troops. (You see,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> the states can't just send their armed militias
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> into other states, they've
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> got to get authorization from the Federal
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Government--which didn't happen.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> And why should it? "I don't think anyone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> anticipated the breach of the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> levees" -- George W. Bush, Good Morning America,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> September 1, 2005.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The USS Bataan has been moored in the Gulf since
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> last Monday, basically
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> doing nothing. It can make 100,000 gallons of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> fresh water a day, it has 6
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> (unused) operating rooms, and hundreds of (empty)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> hospital beds, it's
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> supposed to have helicopters so all these resources
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> can be made available
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> to people in disaster areas. It aided Tsunami
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> victims...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> PUH-leeze.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Bill Effros
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> PS -- This information comes to me, not from the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> New York Times, but from
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Fox News. Even Mr. Murdoch has had enough. It's
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> fine to have an
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> orientation, but it's time to take your head out of
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> the sand.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ed kroposki wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mr. Rummy, You want the Louisiana's Governors
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> head to roll? But she is a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> liberal democrat! Where are your political
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> loyalties? You know my
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> orientation. The truth is she should have
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> declared
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> martial law the day before the storm. On the day
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> of the storm she had
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> responsibility to call for not only Louisiana
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> National Guard but also out
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> state Guard assistance. There was another state
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> Governor that said he had
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> alerted his National Guard and was waiting for a
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> phone call (or any other
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> official method of request). How can you be in
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> agreement with me? This
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>> impossible. I will one up you. Both she and the
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> Mayor of New Orleans
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> ought to
> > >>>>>> be tried for murder. I request that you be put on
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> the jury. People were
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> officially told to go to the Superdome and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> convention center and no
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> security
> > >>>>>> was in place. That was a major abdication of
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> responsibility.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> I have no problem holding those who accept high
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> political office to
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> a high standard or even just a reasonable
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> standard. Why are you on the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> list, if I lived where you do, I would have been
> > >>>>>> out in that cool breeze.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ed K
> > >>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> Behalf Of
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:43 AM
> > >>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Katrina see
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> latest track
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> Thena,
> > >>>>>> It is sooooo good to hear from you. I have been
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> traveling for a family
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> members wedding and just returned. The highest gas
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> price we saw was $3.41
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> per gallon. It was really frustrating watching
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> the news and seeing all
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> people sitting around and nothing being done.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> Some political heads are
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> going to
> > >>>>>> roll for this fiasco, starting with the
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> governor's.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> Rummy
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