[Rhodes22-list] Decoder Ring Malfunction?

Sun Apr 16 21:50:43 EDT 2006

Todd,

I just have the beta version.  Time for an upgrade!  I want one like 
yours!  In fact, I want one like your for what I write, too.

Bill Effros

Todd Tavares wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Your ring must have the dyslexia compensation adjustment screw.  Did you
> have your ring tuned up yet this season by a qualified ring technician?
> It only corrected one misspelled word.  I downloaded the universal
> translator patch, then ran Michael's e-mail through my ring and here is
> what I got.
>
> Subject: Anchors
>
>   
>> Speaking of that (the great rebate).  :-)
>>
>> What is your feeling on the proper rode to use on an anchor?
>>
>> The bottoms are sand, mud and gravel with 300 years worth of  "junk" on
>>     
> the
>   
>> bottom.
>>
>> In the research of the debate, Google found a writing of yours that
>> recommended using an all rope rode due to the poor effects of chain.
>>
>> On my boat I am using a spade model 60 AL, 22 feet of 1/4 chain and 200
>>     
> feet
>   
>> of 3/8 3 strand rope. Do you feel the chain is needed?
>>     
>
>  -mjm
>
> I hope that clarifies any confusion. 
>
> Todd T.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Effros"
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors--French Decoder Ring Version
> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:29:16 -0400
>
>
> Alain,
>
> Michael is one of the best sailors on this list, however he is
> dyslexic, and his written email must be run through a decoder ring
> provided to list members. Unfortunately, we only have a
> Michael-to-English version, the Michael-to-French version is still
> under development.
>
> Following is the product of the Michael-to-English decoder ring.
> >From now on, you're on your own:
>
> "Speaking of that (the great debates) :-) What is your feeling on
> the proper rode to use on an anchor?
>
> The bottoms are sand, mud and gravel with 300 years worth of "junk" on
> the
> bottom.
>
> In the research of the debate, Google found a writing of yours that
> recommended using an all rope rode due to the poor effects of chain.
>
> On my boat I am using a spade model 60 AL, 22 feet of 1/4 chain and 200
> feet
> of 3/8 3 strand rope. Due you feel the chain is needed? mjm"
>
> See, Alain, it's a tough crowd. Jump in.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> Michel Meltzer wrote:
>   
>> Specking of that (the great rebates) :-)
>>
>> What is your feeling on the proper rode to use on an anchor?
>>
>> The bottoms are sand, mud and gravel with 300 years worth of "junk" on
>>     
> the
>   
>> bottom.
>>
>> In the research of the debate, Google found a writing of yours that
>> recommended using an all rope rode due to the poor effects of chain.
>>
>> On my boat I am using a spade model 60 AL, 22 feet of 1/4 chain and 200
>>     
> feet
>   
>> of 3/8 3 strand rope. Due you feel the chain is needed? -mjm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>>> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:51 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
>>>
>>> Welcome, Alain,
>>>
>>> I hope you will stick around for a while. Feel free to advertise your
>>> anchor on this list in the course of explaining why you designed your
>>> anchors the way you designed your anchors, and your anchoring
>>> experiences. Feel free to post text and pictures to the list that you
>>> have posted elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Like most coastal cruisers (I sail on Long Island Sound) I knew very
>>> little about, and avoided anchoring for years on end. Last summer I
>>> decided I should finally learn how to do it, and read everything I
>>>       
> could
>   
>>> (including your very helpful notes) on the Internet.
>>>
>>> I have subscribed to PS for years, but have come to be dismayed by
>>>       
> some
>   
>>> of their shoddy testing techniques. Dragging anchors through the same
>>> patch of sand or mud with a winch does not, in any way, simulate
>>> comparative anchoring in real world situations. The test favors heavy
>>> anchors, plow shapes, and the first to be tested (before the bottom is
>>> completely disturbed). The anchor selection was completely arbitrary,
>>> with some anchors weighing 5 times more than others.
>>>
>>> While PS often claims that it doesn't "take advertising" it does seem
>>>       
> to
>   
>>> accept a lot of free gear which seems to wind up on the personal boats
>>> of the testers. West Marine, in particular, seems to have noticed that
>>> the testers often have kind things to say about the gear that winds up
>>> on their own personal boats. Shortcomings that disqualify other
>>> manufacturer's gear are often noted as just "shortcomings" on West
>>> Marine gear. The (very small staff of) testers know there will be more
>>> gifts in the mail.
>>>
>>> We spent some considerable time debating my anchoring conclusions on
>>> this list. Your comments would be very welcome. I will repost some of
>>> our anchoring threads for your review. Feel free to say what you
>>>       
> really
>   
>>> think, and don't worry about offending people (like me) who you think
>>> are way off the mark.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First off, feel free to
>>>
>>> Alain POIRAUD wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Thanks Bill..
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm also the designer of the Sword. :0) I have designed this
>>>>         
> last
>   
>>> one,
>>>
>>>       
>>>> to answer the comments of many sailors who have been complaining
>>>>         
> about
>   
>>> the
>>>
>>>       
>>>> price of the Spade. (regardless of the quality).
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, I have designed an anchor based on most of the principles
>>>>         
> of
>   
>>> the
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Spade, but based on the same "low cost" manufacturing technology than
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> our
>>>
>>>       
>>>> competitors..
>>>>
>>>> As a result, the new SWORD's price , is only 40% of the one of the
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Spade
>>>
>>>       
>>>> anchor..
>>>>
>>>> I have also used some "new" ideas. As holding is related to the fluke
>>>> surface area, I have removed the heavy lead ballast present on the
>>>>         
> tip
>   
>>> of
>>>
>>>       
>>>> the Spade.. and use the spared weight to nearly DOUBLE the surface
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> area..
>>>
>>>       
>>>> But WEIGHT on the tip, is very important for the first part of the
>>>> penetration process.. therefore I've used a very original idea, by
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> moving
>>>
>>>       
>>>> the fixation of the shank, from backward .. to the first half of the
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> fluke..
>>>
>>>       
>>>> and then, I use the weight of the shank as a ballast..
>>>>
>>>> I will not talk further about the characteristics of this new anchor
>>>>         
> as
>   
>>> I
>>>
>>>       
>>>> don't want to make a "sales speech" here.. but I will be pleased to
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> answer
>>>
>>>       
>>>> all technical questions.
>>>>
>>>> Coming back on PS anchor tests, during years.. they have done a very
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> good
>>>
>>>       
>>>> job, testing anchors in different grounds (sand - mud) and testing
>>>>         
> the
>   
>>>> various parameters: Holding, but also penetration and veering tests..
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> but
>>>
>>>       
>>>> you can't repeat the same tests indefinitely..
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe that the latest tests have been conducted by the same
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> team
>>>
>>>       
>>>> that did the previous ones.
>>>>
>>>> I've read many criticism about them, on several nautical forums.. and
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> this
>>>
>>>       
>>>> is a pity as PS is the only magazine without ADVERTISING , and the
>>>>         
> only
>   
>>> one
>>>
>>>       
>>>> which can do objective tests.. But they really need to stay
>>>> "professionals"..
>>>>
>>>> Safe anchoring to all,
>>>>
>>>> Alain
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Anchors-
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> t1344828.html#a3936889
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>>>>
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