[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review

Mon Feb 13 09:29:45 EST 2006

Art, I wonder if we aren't hearing demand for two variations on your
design?  One that integrates to the PTE, and one that assumes no PTE and
covers the raised pop top.  In either case the side poles would still be the
6' length and stay aft of the shrouds.  Maybe that front
over-the-pop-top section could be a zip-in option?

I agree with Michael -- I'd vote for a hinge in the side poles so it could
roll up as a 3' bundle when stowed.  Much less intrusive when stored up
front.  Would much prefer to store it in the cabin vs. under seat or in
lazaret.

Dave B.

On 2/12/06, Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
>
> Like I said, no fat in this fire, the clip was so the toping lift could
> be passed thought the roof, i.e, take off the toping lift, put it
> thought a hole/flap, and reconnect. The resone I say to use the folding
> rods is so the can be slid out, the fabric roled tight and everything
> stuffed into a sail bag. Remember it is storged most of the time, keep
> it small, Again forget about the PTE, you will simplify and your will
> want to reuse their snaps locations. It a cleaner design, The other
> issue the unit will have very little utility without a PTE going that
> way.  so designing for it not a good design idea from the cost
> standpoint.
>
> -MJM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:15 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > There has been some confusion in not having a picture of my top only,
> so I
> > have taken one I will attach.  The front flap can be made to extend
> > forward to the mast, snap to the PT, or attach to the front of the
> PTE.
> > Any additional cost to do this would be minimal.
> >
> > If you can see the frame structure, the top is tight and rigid, and
> the
> > side curtains are suspended on each of the four sides.  The result
> should
> > be as rainproof as it is possible to make a BR.
> >
> > I would not use the topping lift, instead clip securely to the back
> stay.
> > More secure  -  no midnight surprises!
> >
> > The back panel would need to have slots for tiller, etc, also a 'pass-
> > through' to the ladder for swimming.
> >
> > Thanks for your input on this.
> >
> > Art
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > >Sent: Feb 12, 2006 2:46 PM
> > >To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> > >
> > >Remember I have no "fat in the fire" for this one,
> > >
> > >I would forget that the PTE even exits, the issue I have is you will
> > >need the same locations that the PTE use to attach the snaps, you
> have
> > >nice simple clean line if you attach every thing to the mast cabin
> side
> > >/ forward the same way the PTE does. If you stop it early to meet the
> > >PTE it will be a nightmare and you have very like hope for any type
> of
> > >"rain proof"
> > >
> > >The boom is as a main support is a great idea, with the "straps"
> holding
> > >it to it, BTW it would use those "turn sideway" clips you see on sail
> > >covers vs Velcro.
> > >
> > >The toping lift will be a problem; I would replace the standard
> "knot"
> > >with some type of clip so you can thread it thought the roof.
> > >
> > >
> > >Now for a new idea, I hope you are able to follow it:
> > >
> > >To support the roof, I would put a series of "folder able carbon
> fiber
> > >tent rods" in the roof running port to starboard in "pockets" sween
> into
> > >the roof underside, sized to match the outer hull shape(but trappers
> in
> > >by the cabin to act like a PTE),  for example every foot fore to aft.
> > >The rods only are in the roof.
> > >
> > >Think in terms of adjustable nylon straps, the one that connected to
> the
> > >roof at one end, about 5 feet long, have a buckle to adjunct length
> and
> > >a clip on the end.
> > >
> > >Next, there is no "stiff" side supports. I would take the straps from
> > >the roof(assuming a strap where every rod end meets the roof) and
> bring
> > >is to a small stainless footman at or below the outer hull rubrail,
> just
> > >clip it on. The rubrail and hull corner should seal out bugs,  Then
> > >tighten(they are preset after the first use) to form a "bow" in the
> > >roof, nice shape to shed water and should hold up to any wind, what
> also
> > >nice because most of it outside the hull there is "give" to adjust to
> a
> > >boat. Us spans by the cabin, companion way like the PTE does now.
> Stop
> > >the roof at the end of the boom and bring a set of strap down to the
> > >back deck, outside the rail and cut a slot for the tiller
> > >
> > >The strap are on the outside of the panels, they can passthought
> simple
> > >pockets in the side panles to help with "flapping" in the wind.
> > >
> > >-mjm
> > >PS. How that for an non answer :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > >> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> > >> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:52 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> > >>
> > >> Stan likes Slim's design--the whole cockpit plus cabin enclosure,
> > >going
> > >> forward of the mast.
> > >>
> > >> People who already own PTEs seem to favor Art's design, which
> covers
> > >> just the cockpit, and connects to the Pop Top, with or without the
> > >> enclosure depending on what it is to be used for.
> > >>
> > >> Both have removable panels.
> > >>
> > >> Slim's design would cost less for the entire shooting match.
> > >>
> > >> Art's design is easier to put up, doesn't block forward access, and
> > >can
> > >> be built out of top quality materials for roughly $1,000.  It
> should
> > >be
> > >> possible to modify Art's design so it extends over the cabin, but
> this
> > >> would add cost without providing owners of PTEs any additional
> > >benefits
> > >> (that I can see.)
> > >>
> > >> What do you think?
> > >>
> > >> BTW -- do you have a boom room on the Seward?  If I understand
> Art's
> > >> design, it could be modified for other high-boomed boats.
> > >>
> > >> Bill Effros
> > >>
> > >> Michel Meltzer wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Up to a point, what do you have in mind -mjm
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > >> >>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:34 PM
> > >> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Michael,
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Since we've got nothing better to do, have you been keeping up
> with
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >the
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>Boom Room discussion?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Bill Effros
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>I guess I live in the land of deckahance, the plow guy is due
> :-)
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>-mjm
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > >> >>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:11 PM
> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>Michael,
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>It's time for my winter toy!  Time to bring out the little
> backhoe
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >to
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>shovel the driveway.  Since my driveway is over 100 yards long,
> it
> > >> >>>>really makes a difference.  This amount of snow will take a
> couple
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >of
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>hours to shovel with the front end loader.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>As soon as the snow stops, I'll hop on my pony...actually it's
> a
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>Kubota.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>Bill Effros
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>>Did they put up the "home land defenses" posters btw you,
> about
> > >the
> > >> >>>>>executions zones? Or was that executions zones :-) I thing we
> are
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>going
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>to psycho ED out about sailing around here.  my question for
> the
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >day,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>what about sailing a rhodes22 in a foot of snow. BTW I see you
> > >can
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>post
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>so Greenwich did not have it power screwed yet :-)
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>-mjm
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > >> >>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> > >> >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:53 AM
> > >> >>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>How about sonar?  To spot the subs?  Could rig a
> fishfinder...
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>Bill Effros
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>Radar is overkill, but mostly due to price, size and power
> > >draw.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>-mjm
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > >> >>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodnar
> > >> >>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:15 AM
> > >> >>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >> >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>Ed,
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>I think you are missing a point ... although I'm going to
> > >defend
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>two.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>When I buy a new car, I option all the latest safety
> > >equipment,
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>but
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>I'm
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>not planning for an accident.  I'm spending the bucks on
> all
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >that
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>extra
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>equipment, so that if there is an accident, and if some one
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >should
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>get
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>hurt, I will know that we had the best chance of survival
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>available
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>at
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>the
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>time.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>Now I've been lucky, I've been out in fog only once, and we
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>decided
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>that
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>we would go out anyway to experience it.   It was an
> excellent
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>learning
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>experience, not necessarily a good day sailing.  We took
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>precautions,
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>by
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>sailing in relatively shallow water, (an R22 advantage) to
> > >stay
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>out
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>of
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>the
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>way of faster more powerful boats.  As I said, a learning
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>experience;
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>which, I'm sure, will make us better prepared to handle fog
> > >when
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>we
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>are
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>out on that clear sunny day in the middle of lake Erie and
> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >fog
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>just
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>closes in.  At that time I will want the best equipment
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >available,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>and
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>I
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>will want a GPS to confirm my position and help me make
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >decisions
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>should I
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>be near the shipping channels.  If radar was practical on
> an
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >R22,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>I'd
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>have
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>it.  However, I've just read about a radio transponder
> system
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >that
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>commercial vessels are required to use, and monitoring it
> with
> > >a
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>MAPPING
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>GPS attached, sounds like a more reliable method of
> > >identifying
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>big
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>ships
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>in the area.  As I said the best equipment available.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>The second point:  Boys and their toys.  Some of us take
> pride
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >in
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>our
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>skills and accomplishments, in a minimalist fashion, and
> > >others
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >of
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>us
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>get
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>great enjoyment in pressing buttons and watching little
> teeny
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>boxes
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>do
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>magic  that wasn't even possible with a room full of
> computers
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>using
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>Kilo-
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>watts of power, a few short years ago.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>Dan Bodnar
> > >> >>>>>>>>S/V QOL (Quality of Life)
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 9:41 AM
> > >> >>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, Wally, Mary Lou, big
> spenders
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> The GPS is great, but how much GPS is necessary?  Is
> > >external
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>antenna
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> necessary on a Rhodes 22?  A good hand held is all that
> is
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>necessary.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> The big bucks some want to spend for color wide screen
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>chartplotter
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>is
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>utter waste.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Wally do you have a mount with external antenna for your
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>kayak?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> For night sailing on Lake Hartwell we do not have one
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>lighthouse,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>especially
> > >> >>>>>>>>> not Michael's ten lighthouses.  Shipping channels?  Yea
> we
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>have
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>a
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>main
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> channel but as Rummy will tell you about an affair with
> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>Carver,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>they
> > >> >>>>>>>>> are the ones on autopilot, not the small boats.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> These newbies maybe should learn their boat before they
> sail
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>in
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>fog,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>at
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>night
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  or navigate at night or potentially foul weather far
> from
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>home
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>port.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>By that time
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  the gear will be outdated.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  As for that Maine sailor who navigates around icebergs
> to
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >his
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>island
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>retreat, his fellow
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  Eskimos did it in kayaks without GPS.   Maybe he should
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>consider
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Eskimo day camp?
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  Those worried about getting struck need one of those
> radar
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>units
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>with
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>hazard
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  approching warning attached to good klaxon.  You know
> like
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >on
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>a
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>submarine, dive, dive!
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  Listen here:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> >>>>>>http://www.classic-car-accessories.co.uk/acatalog/soundtklaxonred.
> h
> > >t
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >m
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>l
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>  (Those units are available, but might have a large
> battery
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>draw,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>where
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>is that spread sheet.)
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Ed K
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>--
> > >> >>>>>>>>>View this message in context:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-in-fog-low-
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>visibility-Re%3A-GPS-reply-t1104918.html#a2896741
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
> www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>__________________________________________________
> > >> >>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >__________________________________________________
> > >> >Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >> Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >
> > >__________________________________________________
> > >Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>
> __________________________________________________
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