[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review

Peter Thorn pthorn at nc.rr.com
Mon Feb 13 11:46:50 EST 2006 

Bill,

Please include me in your list of the interested.  Originally I thought w/
PTE and Bimini, who needs one more thing to set up at night and pack up in
the morning, store in the boat, etc.  Now I'm hopeful that a BR design will
accommodate a furled Bimini stored vertically and provide good rain-proof
cockpit shelter.

With the Bimini when it rains, it pours -- into the cockpit along the
gunwales.  A Bimini is better than nothing, but it's not dry space.  Keeping
rain and bugs out and allowing air in should be a BR priority.

Thanks for your stirring efforts and keeping this going.

PT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review


> Dave,
>
> I think we should start with a single design, the simplest, and see if
> it works.  All the buyers who have stated a definite interest to me
> already have PTEs.  PTE owners are reluctant to give them up.  It is an
> elegant, proven design.  I think Art is saying that we can keep the cost
> in roughly the $1,000 range, using the best materials, and highest
> quality workmanship, if we stick to the PTE/BR, and that we will drive
> up the cost and complexity for everyone if we try to develop a
> one-size-fits-all approach from the outset.
>
> I think Art has stated that his design could be modified...if there are
> any actual buyers.  Until then, I think we should develop only the
> simpler design.
>
> There are extending SS poles, but they are pricey, and probably not as
> strong.  One of Art's design features is the use of simple, off the
> shelf materials.
>
> As I understand Art's design, the SS poles installed forward and aft are
> sewn into the top permanently, and the "awning" is draped over the
> boom.  The cross member is then erected under the boom, stretching the
> top and holding it on the boom from below.  The corners of the awning
> are then attached to solid things on the boat--cleats, rails, etc. for
> stability.  The Boom is clipped to the rear stay adjuster, the traveler,
> or something like that, to keep the boom in place.
>
> To store this rig, you take it off the boom, roll it up on the 2 6 foot
> poles, put the 5 foot cross member in the same bundle, and put it away.
> It is 6 feet long, and the bundle can be grasped in one hand.  It can't
> be stored in the lazarette because it is too long, but it can be stored
> in a pouch under the cockpit seats (How about making some special
> brackets inside the gunwale?) or in the bow "storage area".
>
> I think most people with this PTE/BR will never use the bow area for
> sleeping.  I already use it almost exclusively for storage.  A long slim
> package would be much easier for me to store in the bow than a fat
> stubby package.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> David Bradley wrote:
>
> >Art, I wonder if we aren't hearing demand for two variations on your
> >design?  One that integrates to the PTE, and one that assumes no PTE and
> >covers the raised pop top.  In either case the side poles would still be
the
> >6' length and stay aft of the shrouds.  Maybe that front
> >over-the-pop-top section could be a zip-in option?
> >
> >I agree with Michael -- I'd vote for a hinge in the side poles so it
could
> >roll up as a 3' bundle when stowed.  Much less intrusive when stored up
> >front.  Would much prefer to store it in the cabin vs. under seat or in
> >lazaret.
> >
> >Dave B.
> >
> >
> >On 2/12/06, Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Like I said, no fat in this fire, the clip was so the toping lift could
> >>be passed thought the roof, i.e, take off the toping lift, put it
> >>thought a hole/flap, and reconnect. The resone I say to use the folding
> >>rods is so the can be slid out, the fabric roled tight and everything
> >>stuffed into a sail bag. Remember it is storged most of the time, keep
> >>it small, Again forget about the PTE, you will simplify and your will
> >>want to reuse their snaps locations. It a cleaner design, The other
> >>issue the unit will have very little utility without a PTE going that
> >>way.  so designing for it not a good design idea from the cost
> >>standpoint.
> >>
> >>-MJM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
> >>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:15 PM
> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>>
> >>>Michael,
> >>>
> >>>There has been some confusion in not having a picture of my top only,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>so I
> >>
> >>
> >>>have taken one I will attach.  The front flap can be made to extend
> >>>forward to the mast, snap to the PT, or attach to the front of the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>PTE.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Any additional cost to do this would be minimal.
> >>>
> >>>If you can see the frame structure, the top is tight and rigid, and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>side curtains are suspended on each of the four sides.  The result
> >>>
> >>>
> >>should
> >>
> >>
> >>>be as rainproof as it is possible to make a BR.
> >>>
> >>>I would not use the topping lift, instead clip securely to the back
> >>>
> >>>
> >>stay.
> >>
> >>
> >>>More secure  -  no midnight surprises!
> >>>
> >>>The back panel would need to have slots for tiller, etc, also a 'pass-
> >>>through' to the ladder for swimming.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for your input on this.
> >>>
> >>>Art
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> >>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 2:46 PM
> >>>>To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>>>
> >>>>Remember I have no "fat in the fire" for this one,
> >>>>
> >>>>I would forget that the PTE even exits, the issue I have is you will
> >>>>need the same locations that the PTE use to attach the snaps, you
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>have
> >>
> >>
> >>>>nice simple clean line if you attach every thing to the mast cabin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>side
> >>
> >>
> >>>>/ forward the same way the PTE does. If you stop it early to meet the
> >>>>PTE it will be a nightmare and you have very like hope for any type
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>of
> >>
> >>
> >>>>"rain proof"
> >>>>
> >>>>The boom is as a main support is a great idea, with the "straps"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>holding
> >>
> >>
> >>>>it to it, BTW it would use those "turn sideway" clips you see on sail
> >>>>covers vs Velcro.
> >>>>
> >>>>The toping lift will be a problem; I would replace the standard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>"knot"
> >>
> >>
> >>>>with some type of clip so you can thread it thought the roof.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Now for a new idea, I hope you are able to follow it:
> >>>>
> >>>>To support the roof, I would put a series of "folder able carbon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>fiber
> >>
> >>
> >>>>tent rods" in the roof running port to starboard in "pockets" sween
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>into
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the roof underside, sized to match the outer hull shape(but trappers
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>in
> >>
> >>
> >>>>by the cabin to act like a PTE),  for example every foot fore to aft.
> >>>>The rods only are in the roof.
> >>>>
> >>>>Think in terms of adjustable nylon straps, the one that connected to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>roof at one end, about 5 feet long, have a buckle to adjunct length
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>>a clip on the end.
> >>>>
> >>>>Next, there is no "stiff" side supports. I would take the straps from
> >>>>the roof(assuming a strap where every rod end meets the roof) and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>bring
> >>
> >>
> >>>>is to a small stainless footman at or below the outer hull rubrail,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>just
> >>
> >>
> >>>>clip it on. The rubrail and hull corner should seal out bugs,  Then
> >>>>tighten(they are preset after the first use) to form a "bow" in the
> >>>>roof, nice shape to shed water and should hold up to any wind, what
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>also
> >>
> >>
> >>>>nice because most of it outside the hull there is "give" to adjust to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>a
> >>
> >>
> >>>>boat. Us spans by the cabin, companion way like the PTE does now.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>Stop
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the roof at the end of the boom and bring a set of strap down to the
> >>>>back deck, outside the rail and cut a slot for the tiller
> >>>>
> >>>>The strap are on the outside of the panels, they can passthought
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>simple
> >>
> >>
> >>>>pockets in the side panles to help with "flapping" in the wind.
> >>>>
> >>>>-mjm
> >>>>PS. How that for an non answer :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:52 PM
> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Stan likes Slim's design--the whole cockpit plus cabin enclosure,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>going
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>forward of the mast.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>People who already own PTEs seem to favor Art's design, which
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>covers
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>just the cockpit, and connects to the Pop Top, with or without the
> >>>>>enclosure depending on what it is to be used for.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Both have removable panels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Slim's design would cost less for the entire shooting match.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Art's design is easier to put up, doesn't block forward access, and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>can
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>be built out of top quality materials for roughly $1,000.  It
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>should
> >>
> >>
> >>>>be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>possible to modify Art's design so it extends over the cabin, but
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>this
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>would add cost without providing owners of PTEs any additional
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>benefits
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>(that I can see.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What do you think?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>BTW -- do you have a boom room on the Seward?  If I understand
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>Art's
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>design, it could be modified for other high-boomed boats.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Up to a point, what do you have in mind -mjm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:34 PM
> >>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Michael,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Since we've got nothing better to do, have you been keeping up
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>with
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Boom Room discussion?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I guess I live in the land of deckahance, the plow guy is due
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>:-)
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:11 PM
> >>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Michael,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>It's time for my winter toy!  Time to bring out the little
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>backhoe
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>shovel the driveway.  Since my driveway is over 100 yards long,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>it
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>really makes a difference.  This amount of snow will take a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>couple
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>hours to shovel with the front end loader.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>As soon as the snow stops, I'll hop on my pony...actually it's
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>a
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Kubota.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Did they put up the "home land defenses" posters btw you,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>about
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>executions zones? Or was that executions zones :-) I thing we
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>are
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>going
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>to psycho ED out about sailing around here.  my question for
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>day,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>what about sailing a rhodes22 in a foot of snow. BTW I see you
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>can
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>post
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>so Greenwich did not have it power screwed yet :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:53 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>How about sonar?  To spot the subs?  Could rig a
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>fishfinder...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Radar is overkill, but mostly due to price, size and power
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>draw.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodnar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:15 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Ed,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I think you are missing a point ... although I'm going to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>defend
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>When I buy a new car, I option all the latest safety
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>closes in.  At that time I will want the best equipment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>available,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>will want a GPS to confirm my position and help me make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>decisions
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>should I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>be near the shipping channels.  If radar was practical on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>an
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>R22,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I'd
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>it.  However, I've just read about a radio transponder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>system
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>commercial vessels are required to use, and monitoring it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>with
> >>
> >>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>MAPPING
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>GPS attached, sounds like a more reliable method of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>identifying
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>big
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>ships
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>in the area.  As I said the best equipment available.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>The second point:  Boys and their toys.  Some of us take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>pride
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>in
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>our
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>skills and accomplishments, in a minimalist fashion, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>others
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>us
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>great enjoyment in pressing buttons and watching little
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>teeny
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>boxes
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>do
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>magic  that wasn't even possible with a room full of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>computers
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>using
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Kilo-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>watts of power, a few short years ago.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Dan Bodnar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>S/V QOL (Quality of Life)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 9:41 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, Wally, Mary Lou, big
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>spenders
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>The GPS is great, but how much GPS is necessary?  Is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>external
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>antenna
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>necessary on a Rhodes 22?  A good hand held is all that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>is
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>necessary.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>The big bucks some want to spend for color wide screen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>chartplotter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>utter waste.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wally do you have a mount with external antenna for your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>kayak?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>For night sailing on Lake Hartwell we do not have one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>lighthouse,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>especially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>not Michael's ten lighthouses.  Shipping channels?  Yea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>we
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>main
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>channel but as Rummy will tell you about an affair with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Carver,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>are the ones on autopilot, not the small boats.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>These newbies maybe should learn their boat before they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>sail
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>in
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>fog,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>night
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or navigate at night or potentially foul weather far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>from
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>home
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>port.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>By that time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gear will be outdated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for that Maine sailor who navigates around icebergs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>to
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>his
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>island
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>retreat, his fellow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eskimos did it in kayaks without GPS.   Maybe he should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>consider
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eskimo day camp?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those worried about getting struck need one of those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>radar
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>units
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>hazard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> approching warning attached to good klaxon.  You know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>like
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>submarine, dive, dive!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.classic-car-accessories.co.uk/acatalog/soundtklaxonred.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>h
> >>
> >>
> >>>>t
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>m
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>l
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Those units are available, but might have a large
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>battery
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>draw,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is that spread sheet.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ed K
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>View this message in context:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-in-fog-low-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>visibility-Re%3A-GPS-reply-t1104918.html#a2896741
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>__________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>__________________________________________________
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>__________________________________________________
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>__________________________________________________
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> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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> >David Bradley
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