[Rhodes22-list] Stinking Anchor Line

[Michel Meltzer]

Bill, not getting on you case, but in very strong terms I disagree here
(it not helping I am in a bitchy mood from the seaward people). 

The two main issues is the no chain and it compounds with on chain and a
light weight Danforth.

The no chain is in direct volition of Chapman's, people are not diving
on their anchors and you have no idea what crap stopped it or is on the
bottom. I admit you do not need the one foot per boat length I like(and
is the recommendation), but under 6 feet is asking for trouble and could
get someone following it real hurt. The other issue is without chain
that light weight  Danforth will never set while the boat is moving,
there are famous for it(hard enough even with 22 feet of chain), they
sail underwater, drift in heavy wind(like 5 knots+ of boat speed) and
try an emeragy set (like lossing your motor in a channel(as in rock,
jetty and seawalls), no per pulling the line, no notice. (and do try is
with lots of room)

-mjm

 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:47 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stinking Anchor Line
> 
> Mark,
> 
> I'm actually trying to get some work done today, so I have just
skimmed
> what is going on here.  None of us really knows the best technique for
> mining the digests.  Luis seems to have learned more than anyone else.
> We are all curious.  The questions you are asking are useful to all.
> 
> As noted previously, I have not pulled together all of my anchoring
> observations from the past summer, and they are just dribbling out in
> response to specific questions.
> 
> The overview regarding stinking anchor line and chain is this:  chain
is
> completely unnecessary on boats our size in waters where the bottom is
> sand/clay/mud..  The only thing you need chain for is the mechanical
> windlasses required to pull up anchors much larger than ours.  Others
on
> the list will disagree with this, and we'll battle it out, I don't
have
> the time to defend it now.
> 
> Your anchor rode should float.  It should never be on the bottom.  The
> anchor will sink to the bottom.  You pay out anchor rode faster than
you
> float away from the spot where you initially drop anchor, so there is
> always some rode floating on top of the water.  When you see enough
rode
> floating on top of the water, you snub the line.  The line pulls taut,
> and the wind, current, or your motor sets the anchor in the bottom.
If
> the line exiting the water forms roughly a 45 degree angle from the
top
> of the water you have more than sufficient scope--that anchor won't
drag
> provided only that the tines have been properly driven into the
bottom.
> 
> Please note, in this process nothing touches the bottom except the
> anchor.  The line comes up wet, but completely clean, except for maybe
a
> little seaweed, which you strip off.  The anchor may or may not clean
> itself while being hauled.  A few dunks is usually all that is
required
> to clean it, but if not, put it in the sun, and the mud will dry and
> fall off.  A few dunks in water and it's clean as a whistle.
> 
> Neither the anchor nor the rode retains any smell at all.  The rode
can
> be safely stored in the tray provided, and it's very handy to have it
> there when you are anchoring from the bow.  There is no chain, so it
is
> never dirty, and never difficult to handle using the anchor line tray.
> There is no smell.  It's good to be able to air out the forward
> compartment to get rid of excess humidity caused by the drying anchor
> line.  Alternatively, the retrieved line can be stored in a container
> until dry, and then returned to the anchor tray compartment.
> 
> You will hear other views on this.  I'll get back to it when I can.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> mputnam1 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >Mary Lou,
> >
> >I'll be sailing on the Potomac in the DC area, so this is very
helpful
> information ... thanks,
> >
> >-Mark
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:43:24 -0600 (CST)
> >Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Luis please help Mark
> >
> >
> >Mark,
> >I was an early poster on this subject. We never used the rode tray in
our
> boat
> >more because of past experience anchoring on the Chesapeake than
because
> of
> >anyone else's experience. We did it more because I didn't like the
IDEA
> of a wet
> >mucky rode in an open compartment in the v-berth rather than through
> specific
> >experience. In the Chesapeake the bottom is often mud and the anchor,
> chain and
> >even the lower part of the rode can get pretty muddy. That mud has
all
> kinds of
> >vegetation, oil and other stuff embedded in it. The mesh bags we use
to
> store
> >the anchors and the rode make it easy to keep the wet and the mud out
of
> the
> >cabin. Sometimes they ride home with us in the cockpit and don't go
back
> into
> >the lazarette until after they've been hosed off on the dock. We keep
the
> boat
> >in a slip and have the luxury of a hose connection right by the boat.
> Your usage
> >and anchorages may be quite different.
> >
> >Mary Lou
> >1991 R22  Fretless
> >Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> >>Date: Wed Jan 11 10:08:09 CST 2006
> >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Luis please help Mark
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>Ok, I'm trying.
> >>
> >>I was curious about the stinking anchor solutions, though.  That's
all I
> was
> >>
> >>
> >trying to ask about!
> >
> >
> >>Thanks for the advice.
> >>
> >>-Mark
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>Sent: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:54:01 EST
> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Luis please help Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>Mark,
> >>Don't take Ed to seriously, nobody else does.
> >>
> >>Rummy
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