[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Bill Effros]

Greenwich has laws prohibiting construction on Sundays and holidays. 

My illegals don't want to get thrown out of the country after being 
discovered breaking a law like this.  (or tax laws for that matter)

They have American flags and yellow ribbons on their trucks.  They know 
the laws.  They are trying to fit in.

Bill Effros



Herb Parsons wrote:
> When you say "we've got laws in this country about working on Independence Day" and then talking about how patriotic your illegal immigrants are, implying they cannot break the law (or you can't), I'm curious:
>
> What laws are you talking about? The only federal laws I know of about working certain holidays would not prevent illegals from working. As a matter of fact, they wouldn't really prevent ANYONE from working. They might require you to pay them more, but even that would not be likely.
>
> Care to elaborate, or is this more of that "throw it out there rhetoric" you were decrying in a previous email?
>
>   
>>>> bill at effros.com 7/4/2006 12:44:49 pm >>>
>>>>         
> Dave,
>
> The question is so genuinely complex it's hard to know which side to 
> take on any of it.
>
> Most of the slogans on both sides are wrong.
>
> None of us sees it from everyone's point of view.
>
> This country was built on immigration.  We all came from somewhere else, 
> and most of us, not that long ago.
>
> Most of the rules we now want rigorously applied are rules that were not 
> applied to the people who got us here.
>
> There is no practical way to get rid of all "illegals", and whole 
> sectors of our economy would immediately fail if we were ever to 
> succeed.  Then what?
>
> Gotta go clean the basement.  We've got laws in this country about 
> working on Independence Day, and my illegals are extremely patriotic.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
>   
>> Bill,
>>  
>> Thanks for your reply.  I think you're telling me that there's a huge  
>> illegal problem that I'm not even aware of, and you may be right.  What I  see is 
>> suburban workers, construction workers, etc, it may go far beyond that in  the 
>> manufacturing sector.  Washington is not much of a manufacturing town,  we 
>> push paper and much of that paper and most of the products requires  clearances 
>> and access so we likely don't see the full impact of illegal  labor.  I accept 
>> your assessment of the situation.
>>  
>> Regarding their losing some benefits on the taxes they pay, I can believe  you
>> 're right for some of the group, especially those in manufacturing.  But  
>> again, I believe the group I see functions on the cash economy - they don't pay  
>> taxes. You refer to the illegals bringing their families - that may happen,  
>> but it's not simply a case of men coming north, there are women coming  north 
>> also, and the women settle and have children here, and the children are a  
>> substantial burden to the social services system.  I think that's the  biggest 
>> part of the social services problem.
>>  
>> As for cutting social services, that may not be a good idea.  I  suspect the 
>> illegals are used to virtually no services at all - it's going to be  hard, 
>> and even unproductive, to get to that level.  US citizens that pay  taxes 
>> deserve better.  Personally, I'm not comfortable with no public  education, 
>> widespread hunger, destitution, and people dying in the streets - but  that's just me.
>>  
>> All of the "social burdens" have names and faces that can be found by the  
>> authorities without a lot of trouble.  The government can get most of the  
>> names and addresses of whoever shows up at an emergency room, winds up in jail,  
>> or enrolls in public schools, it's not rocket science.   I continue to  think 
>> that reuniting illegals and their children with their cultural heritage  (i.e. 
>> outta here) as they show up as social service debits would be a viable  
>> solution.  It's not a one-time fix, the outta here card will have to be  always on 
>> the table, but it would go a long way towards fixing the  problem.  As it is, 
>> we may have literally generations of illegals living in  the country, if they 
>> were ever deported they would have a huge culture shock -  the kids are 
>> Americans, and the kids of the kids will really be Americans.   From my perspective 
>> it's better to deal with the issue as it arises than let it  fester.  
>>  
>> Dave
>>  
>>
>>
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