[Rhodes22-list] Problem shrouds = location of answer for David

[TN Rhodey]

Bill,

Tunig your rig is in no way like slamming a single car door. Your car doors 
are independent. It would be like slamming all 4 car doors using equal 
force.

Did you read Roger's post in the FAQ. He goes through his process and 
answers most of your questions. I have no idea if he is right.

Many on this list complain they can't point high into the wind. I am of the 
opinion that most of these people have boats way out of tune. I also think 
the GB furler doesn't allow you to tighten jib luff properly compounding the 
situation.

You know I like to keep it simple but if you don't have experience having a 
way to measure is helpful. Brad uses an example of experienced mechanic not 
using torque wrench. I wonder if he would wants all the guys to go through 
training never using a torque wrench. If you don't have a point of reference 
(experience helps!) you are just maKing a wild guess.

Wally



>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
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>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Problem shrouds = location of answer for David
>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:10:34 -0400
>
>Oh, please...
>
>This is like a discussion of how hard to slam a car door.  You only have to 
>slam it hard enough to close.  The car can take a harder slam, but you are 
>not accomplishing anything good for the car by slamming the door harder.
>
>We should banish Loos gauges from this list.  They are supposed to be 
>calibrated for the type and size of stay they are measuring.  They don't 
>measure in pounds--you interpolate index numbers.
>
>Where the hell did 200 pounds come from, anyhow?
>
>Is that 200 pounds when the other 8 shrouds are slack, or 200 pounds when 
>the other 8 shrouds also each show 200 pounds?  Or is it 200 pounds total, 
>divided by 9 shrouds?
>
>The tension on the back stay which holds up the traveler is supposed to be 
>the same as the tension on the lower side stays?
>
>If the mast is not perpendicular to the boat, but all the stays register 
>200 pounds--is the rigging ok?
>
>A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>TN Rhodey wrote:
>>Ed,
>>
>>Without a gauge it is hard to quantify hand tight. Perhaps someone should 
>>tighten hand tight and then measure? What if three people tightned hand 
>>tight and measured? I bet you would have 3 different measurements. I must 
>>admit that mine are tighter than hand tight....not much. Lee side shrouds 
>>still go slack. Sloppy or over tight, either way creates proplems.
>>
>>Roger knew how tune an R22 and he used a gauge. Did you see his specs? 
>>Anyone with IMF actually use a gauge? Someone should know this? I may have 
>>to borrow a friend's gauge and measure .....
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem shrouds = location of answer for David
>>>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>
>>>David:
>>>      I would like to suppliment Captain Rummy's response to you with 
>>>where
>>>you find documentation supporting what he is telling you.  Stan, aka,
>>>General Boats, makes an instruction manual for the Rhodes 22.  With 
>>>Rose's
>>>permission, a copy of which is located in the Document Library of this 
>>>web
>>>site. See:
>>>
>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/Rhodes22-1988-Owners-Raven.pdf
>>>
>>>       Now specifically go to pages 4 and 5, especially about the guy who
>>>used pliers to tighten the shrouds.  So after reading the instructions
>>>promulgated by Stan you may begin to understand why most of use just 
>>>follow
>>>his instuctions.  Please understand that while Stan's education is
>>>electrical engineering he is a nautical engineer by advocation.  The 
>>>point
>>>Rummy made is that the mast is not made to be over tighened.  What Rummy
>>>said is supported by the instructional manual for this boat.
>>>       Who ever told you to use 200 pounds of tension told you very 
>>>wrong.
>>>That kind of number may be correct for a fifty foot keel stepped racing
>>>sailboat, but not appropriate for a cabin (deck) stepped mast without a
>>>compression post from base to keel.   It sounds like somebody has created 
>>>a
>>>problem in over tensioning the stays.  Hopefully the cabin is not 
>>>reshaped
>>>permenantly.
>>>        Many Cat boats and other modern designs do not even use stays to 
>>>keep
>>>the mast upright.  Read about the latest model Hunter sail boats.
>>>
>>>Ed K
>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>--
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>>>http://www.nabble.com/Problem-shrouds.-t1840793.html#a5025664
>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>>>
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