[Rhodes22-list] WTF?

[TN Rhodey]

Yes there is quite a bit of mis-information out there.....It is my 
understanding that due to the Patriot Act a warrant is no longer needed for 
wire tap or detaining people. Also if they are going to monitor emails do 
you really think they are just going to stop at the address? Face it we are 
loosing our rights.

Our government is using fear tactics to drive policy. And like sheep we tend 
to follow. Fear is the very reason we were able to go into Iraq when we did. 
We and our leaders were so shaken up after 911 we believed anything we were 
told. We just had to do some thing and the best we could come up with was 
attacking Iraq. Knee jerk reactions are usually not the best way to go but 
what the heck it seemed like a good idea at the time. We never finished in 
Afghanstan, Iraq is still up in the air and now Iran.......

Fear is what drove us to lock up Japanese Americans during WW II. Fear is 
what drove the McCarthy lists. Our ideas of freedom can not change when we 
are scared. If they do then we really aren't free.

So I am off to the lake and the forecast is BIG! They are calling for 10 -20 
plus.

Wally





>From: Jim Bunnell <jbunnell at mac.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF?
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:43:46 -0400
>
>As usual, the media are reporting in a misleading way to get the most  
>headlines out of the story. What is being recorded are the NUMBERS  that 
>call other numbers, not the conversations. If you're talking  about a bag, 
>nobody knows. So, if phone A calls a known terrorist,  phone A's other 
>calls are known. Note it is the number only, not the  content. If our 
>friend at phone A talks to someone on our suspect  list, and then calls 
>someone unknown, and this happens often enough  to create a pattern, then a 
>warrant to listen to the conversations  can be obtained. This is what the 
>oversight committee of Congress  approved, and it has been going on for a 
>long time.
>
>Additionally-
>By GARY LANGER and DALIA SUSSMAN
>
>
>
>May 12, 2006 — Americans by nearly a 2-1 ratio call the surveillance  of 
>telephone records an acceptable way for the federal government to  
>investigate possible terrorist threats, expressing broad unconcern  even if 
>their own calling patterns are scrutinized.
>
>Lending support to the administration's defense of its anti-terrorism  
>intelligence efforts, 63 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post  poll say 
>the secret program, disclosed Thursday by USA Today, is  justified, while 
>far fewer, 35 percent, call it unjustified.
>
>
>
>On May 11, 2006, at 11:57 PM, Slim wrote:
>
>>So now mein furer is tracking all my calls and emails??!!
>>He says no innocent citizen is being monitored.  No listening or  
>>trolling.
>>I guess I don't have a problem unless I'm talking to my man about a  big, 
>>fat
>>bag of...(line went dead).
>>
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