[Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Sat May 27 11:40:12 EDT 2006 

Herb,

Yes....I stand by those statements.  I was against attacking Iraq from the 
start and I still am. Time will tell but if past preformance is a good 
indicator of future performance ......

If you read Brad's (and others) post you will understand why I made the 
statment about my voting record. There are many who lump all who disagree 
into one group. It was been expressed on this list that you are either for 
the war or a bleeding heart liberal. In my case this is certainly not true. 
Hopefully I made my point.

Changing the subject....I am sure you have seen recent head lines about 
alleged massacre of civilians. I first heard about this several weeks ago 
and kind of dismissed the whole thing. Now the Pentagon looks like they are 
already convicting the accused Marines. I don't even want to believe what I 
am hearing. If true we really are our own worst enemy.

For the record I don't think this alleged massacre has any bearing on the 
issue at hand. We could have been fighting Iraq for all of the right reasons 
and the same type of massacre could of happened. War crimes are not limitied 
to only "just" wars. I do understand that. However when you are attacking a 
country that has not attacked you this type of incident makes it so much 
harder to justify our cause. No piling on here I just hope this crap isn't 
true. I know all sides are disgusted by this type of shit.

Wally
>From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)
>Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:19:27 -0500
>
>Wally, I was referring to your previous post where you said you knew this 
>was wrong from day one. Your statement, not mine.
>
>Never said anything about you being a Democrat or Republican or who you 
>voted for. All I did was make a prediction and quoted what you said. Was I 
>wrong about some part of my post?
>
>Herb Parsons
>
>S/V O'Jure
>1976 O'Day 25
>Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
>S/V Reve de Papa
>1971 Coronado 35
>Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
> >>> tnrhodey at hotmail.com 5/26/2006 1:32:30 pm >>>
>Herb,
>
>I am not sure what you think I have known since day one.....I did think
>prior to attacking Iraq we were rushing things. I still feel that way 
>today.
>
>The fact that this decision was made by a Republican doesn't really concern
>me. If Clinton made the same call the decision would have been just as
>wrong.
>
>For the record I never voted for Clinton or Gore. For some reason if one is
>against attacking Iraq it is assumed you are a Democrat. In my case nothing
>could be further from the truth. At one time I thought I had republican
>leanings but I don't see much to align with. Foolish fiscal policies and
>lthe rush to war have me wondering what the Republican party is really 
>about
>these days. Not to mention the religous right......
>
>Wally
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)
> >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:45:35 -0500
> >
> >Way to go Brad. Wanna bet though, that Wally's reply will be "still not
> >enough to make me change my mind"? Keep in mind, he's "known" since "day
> >one".
> >
> >Herb Parsons
> >
> >S/V O'Jure
> >1976 O'Day 25
> >Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >
> >S/V Reve de Papa
> >1971 Coronado 35
> >Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >
> > >>> flybrad at yahoo.com 5/20/2006 6:53:12 am >>>
> >Wally,
> >
> >OK, here's a quick shot to clarify things before the
> >boys put my arse on a machine.  If you read through
> >the report, Saddam's generals thought they had WMD.
> >They had WMDs at one time, they used WMDs. They wanted
> >more. We still don't know where they went.  Saddam
> >sponsored terrorism all over the Middle East.  Clinton
> >thought he should be taken out.  So did Gore, so did
> >Kerry.  It is easy to second guess the decision to go
> >to war after the fact, but post 9/11, given the
> >intelligence we had, it was a tough call (unless
> >you're a pacifist or an isolationist).  We went, we're
> >there.  These calls for an early withdrawal are
> >nonsense.  Do you know why the loss of our kids to
> >IEDs has gone up?  The insurgents are getting C4 from
> >Iran that is seven times more powerful. The argument
> >that we wouldn't have these problems had we not gone
> >there doesn't fly with me.  Why fight the war in
> >Europe when it was Japan that attacked us?   This is a
> >war like no other, the front is hard to define and
> >constantly shifting. IF Iraq can become a stable
> >nation, it will shift the whole Middle East.  We've
> >had enough "meet and greets" in the Rose Garden.  The
> >world is too small and the Middle East too important
> >to ignore. Whether Iraq was the best move won't be
> >determined for a long time.  NEWS FLASH!  Bush will be
> >gone soon.  Hillary, or whoever, will face the same
> >problems.  The folks who want to take us back to the
> >seventh century don't give a shit who's next.  The
> >problem remains the same. As to the folks who are in
> >Iraq now, they deserve our support.  The re-inlistment
> >rate and requests for redeployment to Iraq is
> >incredible.  They believe in what they are doing.  You
> >have to read the soldiers blogs to get that story
> >though, it won't sell soap for the MSM.
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > I am not sure I follow what you are saying. Perhaps
> > > someone else posted on
> > > military families.
> > >
> > > Many of us do try to remove emotion and look at the
> > > facts.  It reallky isn't
> > > THAT hard. One first has to have an open mind. Again
> > > your link did not
> > > reveal anything that would change my mind. It seemed
> > > to support what i said.
> > > We rushed into this on bad information. I have said
> > > this from day one. Am I
> > > missing something?
> > >
> > > Your ask for forgiveness rather than permission
> > > concept is a pretty low
> > > standard. I think we should aim a little higher.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank
> > > and Tootle)
> > > >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Wally,
> > > >
> > > >My attitude is "better to ask forgiveness than
> > > >permission" when it comes to national security. No
> > > one
> > > >is going to give up their political position based
> > > >only the facts; mostly it is emotion.  I just spent
> > > >the evening celebrating my oldest son's 24th
> > > birthday
> > > >on the  MS Gulf coast.  I'm not going to second
> > > guess
> > > >anyone's influence on their child not to go to THE
> > > >GULF.  My graditude goes to those kids who did, and
> > > >especially to those parents whose kids didn't come
> > > >back.
> > > >
> > > >Brad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Brad,
> > > > >
> > > > > I skimmed through reading things here and there
> > > but
> > > > > didn't come across
> > > > > anything that changes my mind. In fact I read
> > > > > several things that confirmed
> > > > > my way of thinking. Most interesting is the
> > > coverage
> > > > > of WMD. Looked to me
> > > > > like they cited many sources showing that there
> > > > > weren't any WMD left and we
> > > > > bought into the boasts of Saddam.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wally
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to
> > > Hank
> > > > > and Tootle)
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Wally,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here is some "light" reading for you (230
> > > pages).
> > > > > >I've read some excerpts and analysis but
> > > haven't
> > > > > >digested the whole document.  Hope to get that
> > > done
> > > > > >this week if I can get away from the 'Tower of
> > > > > Babel'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/iraq/ipp.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I also saw (on TV) Colin Powell give a
> > > > > powerpoint
> > > > > > > presentaion to the UN
> > > > > > > showing location of WMD. If it makes you
> > > feel
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > better I blame congress
> > > > > > > almost as much as Bush. Fiew had the
> > > strength to
> > > > > > > vote against the
> > > > > > > resolution. Face it. we acted on
> > > mis-information
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > made some bad
> > > > > > > decisions. I don't understand why this is so
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > for people to see.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I really like my local Congressman Jim
> > > Duncan.
> > > > > He is
> > > > > > > one of the few who
> > > > > > > voted against the resolution and he is a
> > > > > republican.
> > > > > > > There was no reason to
> > > > > > > attack Iraq when we did. The borders were
> > > locked
> > > > > > > down about as well as you
> > > > > > > can lock down a border. Heck we can't even
> > > > > control
> > > > > > > our border. We also
> > > > > > > controlled the airways. We had not yet
> > > finished
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > Afghanastan. We should
> > > > > > > have confirmed all of our information first.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe I should remove logic from my thought
> > > > > process
> > > > > > > and just follow party
> > > > > > > line.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wally
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Herb Parsons"
> > > <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response
> > > to
> > > > > Hank
> > > > > > > and Tootle)
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:25:53 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The reasons "Bush and his cronies" (I
> > > assume,
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > by 'Bush and his
> > > > > > > >cronies', you are referring to the US
> > > Congress,
> > > > > > > since they are the body
> > > > > > > >that authorized and voted for the
> > > resolution)
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > clearly laid out in the
> > > > > > > >resolution authorizing the action. You HAVE
> > > > > read
> > > > > > > it, haven't you?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Herb Parsons
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >S/V O'Jure
> > > > > > > >1976 O'Day 25
> > > > > > > >Lake Grapevine, N TX
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >S/V Reve de Papa
> > > > > > > >1971 Coronado 35
> > > > > > > >Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>> saroj at pathfind.net 5/14/2006 12:29:40
> > > pm
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >To Hank:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Exactly what do you believe WAS the reason
> > > Bush
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > his cronies decided to
> > > > > > > >go to war in Iraq?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The stated reason was that Iraq harbored Al
> > > > > Qaeda
> > > > > > > terrorists and Sadaam was
> > > > > > > >a recalcitrant tyrant and had WMD which he
> > > > > planned
> > > > > > > to use against us.  That
> > > > > > > >he was a tyrant there is no doubt.  Is it
> > > the
> > > > > job
> > > > > > > of the U.S.A. to
> > > > > > > >eliminate
> > > > > > > >all tyrants from this world? There are
> > > plenty
> > >
> >=== message truncated ===
> >
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