[Rhodes22-list] Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif/Let the games begin.

Sun Nov 12 09:39:29 EST 2006

Wally,

People buying homes on 100% credit and interest only loans is the fault of
the banking industry, not Bush.  That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Hank

On 11/12/06, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> Do you really think Condi is hot?
>
> I don't expect much from the Dems but Bush deserves most of the blame for
> this mess. He did lead us into this mess and the buck stops with him. I do
> think any impeachment attempts would be a waste of time. We know now that
> many of the reasons given for attacking Iraq were not true. The people
> didn't welcome us, they were not close to obtaining nuke capability. We
> were
> also told it would take 6 months, we would not have long term presence and
> so on. Most of our politicians were scared to look weak on terror so they
> voted to support/fund the war.
>
> There are many economic indicators. Much of "middle class America" is
> living
> paycheck to paycheck. Savings are way down. Many people are buying homes
> they can't afford with 100% financing using interest only loans. These
> loans
> have balloon payments due down the road. Home foreclosures are way up.
> Credit card debt is huge. People drive nice cars but the bank owns them.
> The
> economy is doing ok because people are still buying. However we have
> troubled auto and airline industry and we can't  make anything. I am not
> blaming any politician for this problem. Only pointing out that some
> numbers
> are doing well. We all know how fast stocks can drop. All these gains can
> be
> lost in a day. Debt will take years to pay off.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
> >From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif/Let the games
> >begin.
> >Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:24:57 -0600
> >
> >David,
> >
> >I'll bite too!
> >
> >Since you know about management, you probably know about the company
> policy
> >of not getting hummers on company property, at least that's the policy at
> >my
> >employer (I had a co-worker get fired for enjoying himself too much in
> >first-class returning from Europe with a friendly companion).  If it were
> a
> >ballot initiative, I'd vote for it, but alas, such is not the case.
> Clinton
> >got impeached for something that we'd all lie about.  Except, he lied
> under
> >oath.  He was elected to be chief executive and commander-in-chief, not
> to
> >increase his potential audience of young paramours. But I digress, we're
> >not
> >talking about Slick Willy.  Impeaching Willy was a waste of time and
> >resources, fun, but not very productive.  Of course there is talk of
> >payback!  Politics is a contact sport!
> >
> >The more I think about it, the incoming Dems should investigate the hell
> >out
> >of everything.  Start with pre-war intelligence.  Most of these guys/gals
> >voted for the war so what happened?  Did that dumbass academic
> >under-achiever Bush read the intelligence report to them or did they read
> >it
> >themselves?  When Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, et al, reached the same
> >conclusions years earlier based on 'intelligence', were they lying or was
> >Bush reading it to them at that time as well? By all means, lets
> >investigate!
> >
> >Bush did run off talent.  He ran off Janet Reno because he didn't want
> his
> >ranch near Waco attacked.  He ran off Madeleine Albright because foreign
> >leaders we're afraid to look at her and Condi is HOT!  There were
> probably
> >some others.
> >
> >He weakened the balance sheet?  Maybe yours brother, not mine.  A 12,000
> >DOW
> >has done wonders for my 401K.
> >
> >He did squander some alliances.  We can't count on France to watch our
> back
> >anymore!
> >
> >By all means, let's investigate everything, starting with Katrina.  As
> long
> >as everyone is pinned down in committee meetings and investigations, they
> >can't pass legislation to get in our pockets.
> >
> >Bring em' on!
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >On 11/12/06, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>OK, Herb, I'll bite.
> >>
> >>You made a comment that an investigation of the Bush administration is
> >>political payback, vs. fixing the things that are wrong.  I said I hoped
> >>they did, in fact, do a thorough investigation after years of
> >>mismanagement,
> >>and that the poliitcal/media rhetoric wouldn't get in the way.  You
> seemed
> >>to think the term mismanagement is somehow a mischaracteriztion, and
> that
> >>the president has made decsions appropriately within the context of his
> >>political platform.
> >>
> >>When politicians talk, I think they are many steps removed from the
> >>reality
> >>of every situation they discuss as they try to simplify, spin, or twist
> >>what
> >>is almost always a complex situation.  Then the media get ahold of it
> and
> >>it's even further removed from reality.  That's why I think the rhetoric
> >>is
> >>dumb -- because it never does a fair job of explaining what's really
> going
> >>on.  It gets in the way of the kind of reasoned debate that -- well --
> >>managers would be expected to undertake in running a business.
> >>
> >>I don't know much about politics, but I know a little bit about
> >>management.
> >>I think the president was elected and paid to be a chief executive and
> >>commander in chief.  At least one of those jobs is about
> management.  The
> >>list of bad management decisions he made seems pretty long, in my
> opinion
> >>(and it sounds like maybe yours too?).  He dangerously weakened the
> >>balance
> >>sheet.  He squandered alliances and resources.  He drove away
> talent.  He
> >>embarked on a war with no plan to succeed based on weak intelligence and
> >>emotional decisions.  He put weak managers in place.  He surrounded
> >>himself
> >>with people who think like him.  He ran the place like a damn family
> >>business.  None of that can be explained away by a political platform.
> >>
> >>I truly hope a change of course in Washington can put a spotlight on as
> >>much
> >>bad decision making as possible, to head off any more stacking of the
> >>deck,
> >>and to take advantage of a CYA window for a bilateral Congress to try to
> >>set
> >>some things right.
> >>
> >>
> >>Dave B
> >>
> >>
> >>On 11/11/06, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "dumb rhetoric" - would that be things like "6 years of mismanagement
> >> > (with two more to go).
> >> > I think the thing that galls me the most when I see things like that
> is
> >> > the fact that after 4 years, he not only got to keep his job, he got
> it
> >>by
> >> > more votes and a larger margin than the first time around.
> >> >
> >> > Guys, the one you didn't want being in charge does NOT amount to
> >> > "mismanagement".
> >> >
> >> > The guy who won doing things the way he said he was going to,
> although
> >>it
> >> > may be unheard of in politics these days, is NOT mismanagement.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Herb Parsons
> >> >
> >> > S/V O'Jure
> >> > 1976 O'Day 25
> >> > Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >> >
> >> > S/V Reve de Papa
> >> > 1971 Coronado 35
> >> > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >> >
> >> > >>> dwbrad at gmail.com 11/11/2006 12:30:14 pm >>>
> >> > Hmm.  It seems to me that 6 years of mismanagement (with two more to
> >>go)
> >> > warrants an evaluation.  I sure hope they start now in what is sure
> to
> >>be
> >> > a
> >> > long process of "unstacking the deck."  It sure would be nice if they
> >> > could
> >> > keep the dumb rhetoric to a minimum while doing it, but that's
> probably
> >> > too
> >> > much to hope for, and to me not all that important.
> >> >
> >> > Dave B.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 11/11/06, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > That's his version of "bi-partisanship" and "returning civility to
> >>the
> >> > > Congress".
> >> > >
> >> > > So, instead of working on "fixing all those wrongs" they say, the
> >>Dems
> >> > are
> >> > > going to concentrate on a little payback for Clinton.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Herb Parsons
> >> > >
> >> > > S/V O'Jure
> >> > > 1976 O'Day 25
> >> > > Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >> > >
> >> > > S/V Reve de Papa
> >> > > 1971 Coronado 35
> >> > > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >> > >
> >> > > >>> R22RumRunner at aol.com 11/10/2006 7:32:15 pm >>>
> >> > >
> >> > > LOS ANGELES - The Democratic  congressman who will investigate the
> >>Bush
> >> > > administration's running of the  government says there are so many
> >>areas
> >> > > of
> >> > > possible wrongdoing, his biggest  problem will be deciding which
> ones
> >>to
> >> > > pursue.
> >> > > There's the response to Hurricane  Katrina, government contracting
> in
> >> > Iraq
> >> > > and on homeland security, political  interference in regulatory
> >> > decisions
> >> > > by the
> >> > > Environmental Protection Agency and  the Food and Drug
> >>Administration,
> >> > and
> >> > > allegations of war profiteering, Rep.  Henry Waxman, D-Calif., told
> >>the
> >> > > Los
> >> > > Angeles Chamber of Commerce.
> >> > > "I'm going to have an interesting  time because the Government
> Reform
> >> > > Committee has jurisdiction over everything,"  Waxman said Friday,
> >>three
> >> > > days after
> >> > > his party's capture of Congress put him in  line to chair the
> panel.
> >> > "The
> >> > > most
> >> > > difficult thing will be to pick and  choose."
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > David Bradley
> >> > +1.206.225.7793
> >> > dwbrad at gmail.com
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> >>+1.206.225.7793
> >>dwbrad at gmail.com
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