[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks

[Slim]

Or you could mount a long one on top of the tiller and a short one on the
under side.

Slim

On 11/30/06 10:35 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Wally,
> 
> I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing?  How long is the
> hiking stick you use?  Have you see the hiking sticks with the pop-out
> feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> TN Rhodey wrote:
>> Rex,
>> 
>> I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to change
>> the cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2
>> lines on the traveler with a single line that is long enough to reach
>> just about anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back to
>> cleat after making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low) side
>> with traveler line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works
>> better than easing main.
>> 
>> A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about not
>> having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single
>> line lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to creat
>> purchase then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big improvement.
>> Upwind I could flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep
>> boom from rising up. After a while I converted the vang from my
>> Bantam. It is a little undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps
>> onto bale at mast bottom and fitting on boom. You can't use pop top
>> with traveler in place but if you are racing you will not have pop top
>> up.
>> 
>> As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is not
>> that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. On
>> the upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack to
>> the mark reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight
>> knot and pull (and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick step
>> forward and I pass the coil outside and run back through block, tie
>> new figure eight and you are ready to go.  Trying to make changes near
>> the mark is not good. After you jibe get things in control then
>> reroute the other sheet. After last jibe on down wind run do it all
>> over again. I can secure my tiller for hand free sailing (briefly) and
>> sail this way quite often.
>> 
>> I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a
>> couple of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl genny,
>> jump forward and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to
>> cockpit and trim sails then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. I
>> would only do this in very light winds. I didn't do well in these races.
>> 
>> Fair Winds,
>> 
>> Wally
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Charles Henthorn <rexh at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
>>> 
>>> Wally:
>>>        I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the
>>> shrouds.  The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a
>>> way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use
>>> genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and be
>>> prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside
>>> shrouds when beating.
>>>        Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward
>>> rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch
>>> only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the
>>> windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better
>>> and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight
>>> distribution on the windward side of the boat.  When
>>> single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit
>>> from winch to winch is not a problem.
>>>        Your vang suggestion intrigues me.  With the IMF and the
>>> poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends to
>>> the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.
>>> Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that
>>> might make it easier to handle.  I use it and find it cumbersome (at
>>> least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the
>>> weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release
>>> the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2)  ease
>>> the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of
>>> the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the tack.
>>> I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so
>>> the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some
>>> type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't seem
>>> shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that idea.
>>> Rex
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>   Rex,
>>> 
>>> I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets
>>> is not
>>> a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and walk
>>> forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you
>>> really
>>> want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling
>>> anyway. In
>>> that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth
>>> rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can sheet
>>> inside
>>> shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang. Proper
>>> use of
>>> vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions. The
>>> biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do
>>> you have
>>> a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward
>>> in the
>>> cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
>>> 
>>> Wally
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Charles Henthorn
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when racing.
>>>> Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if
>>> I were
>>>> to try re-rigging between course changes.
>>>> Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
>>>> through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
>>>> Rex
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Slim wrote:
>>>> Rex,
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been
>>> having
>>>> trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on
>>> something.
>>>> When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until I've
>>>> crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I let
>>>> loose.
>>>> That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution is to
>>>> simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about. This
>>> can be
>>>> done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than
>>> having
>>>> a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also
>>> with a
>>>> little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If
>>> you're on
>>>> a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then
>>> when you
>>>> come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your pop
>>> top
>>>> down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the sheets
>>>> from
>>>> inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps. Good luck.
>>>> 
>>>> Slim
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Anne:
>>>>> My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman
>>> Lake,
>>>> but
>>>>> I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season.
>>> I've
>>>> never
>>>>> raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle
>>>> Creek.
>>>>> Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and
>>> probably 3
>>>> hrs
>>>>> from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll
>>> give you
>>>> an
>>>>> email in advance.
>>>>> I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside
>>> the
>>>>> outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration
>>> and
>>>> our
>>>>> distance courses being layed out around several points and tree
>>> lines,
>>>> our
>>>>> winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change
>>> dramatically in
>>>>> intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa
>>> running
>>>>> rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option away
>>>> when it
>>>>> might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
>>>>> 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the
>>> outside
>>>>> shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets so
>>>> you're
>>>>> not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it
>>>> difficult in
>>>>> light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side
>>> on a
>>>> tack or
>>>>> gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port or
>>>> chainplate
>>>>> connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next
>>> spring now
>>>> with
>>>>> winter
>>>>> upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a
>>> complete
>>>>> failure.
>>>>> Rex
>>>>> 
>>>>> anima13 wrote:
>>>>> Rex,
>>>>> What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
>>>>> I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this list,
>>>> these
>>>>> folks.
>>>>> I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes.
>>> One year
>>>> we
>>>>> sailed
>>>>> every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
>>>>> Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake
>>> gathering
>>>> for
>>>>> Rhodes
>>>>> when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
>>>> Sandberg
>>>>> would concur,
>>>>> I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less
>>> than
>>>> the
>>>>> whole 175%,
>>>>> like 160% or so.
>>>>> However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc.
>>> Hence,
>>>> PHRF!
>>>>> Wally races his R-22.
>>>>> I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for
>>> years.
>>>> Our
>>>>> philosophy is to
>>>>> point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in
>>> tight as
>>>> a
>>>>> drum and our
>>>>> helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex
>>> or the
>>>>> telltales. She is
>>>>> not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or
>>> "off" so
>>>> she
>>>>> does not have to look up
>>>>> to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
>>>> downwind...if
>>>>> we have enough staff.
>>>>> We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall.
>>> Lots
>>>> of
>>>>> folks from Eagle Creek
>>>>> come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are
>>> some of
>>>> our
>>>>> favorite friends.
>>>>> Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew. We
>>>> require
>>>>> a minimum of 6
>>>>> for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
>>>> crowded!
>>>>> Too many jobs to do.
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles
>>> Henthorn
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ann:
>>>>> Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
>>>>> Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat
>>>> yesterday.
>>>>> I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake
>>> than here.
>>>>> Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the
>>> runs
>>>>> but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches.
>>> Do you
>>>>> race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the
>>>> Santana's
>>>>> and Flying Scots I try to race against?
>>>>> Rex
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> anima13 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
>>>>> Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
>>>>> Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
>>>>> Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
>>>>> party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
>>>>> That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov 1st.
>>>>> Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
>>>>> morning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> 
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