[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
Rik Sandberg
sanderico at earthlink.net
Mon Sep 18 22:19:35 EDT 2006
Bob,
I never had a problem with how well my R-22 would point. although, I did
get beat up pretty bad (pointing wise) by a J-34 once ..... big
surprise, eh??
The "wide beam" you keep mentioning really is not that wide at all. Yes,
overall it is 8 feet, BUT, that is at the gunnels, NOT at the water
line. I think you will find, if you check into it that the R-22 has a
fairly narrow beam *at the waterline* compared to most boats in this
length range. (about 6 1/2 feet)
If there is a pointing problem, it's the 175 genoa. It makes a lot of
power, but you can't hang that much canvas outside the shrouds and
expect to point high too. Get a 125 and sheet it inside if you want to
point. 'Course, you're gonna' want a little wind to get moving good
then, but as they say, you can't always get what you want :-)
PS: don't try to keep up to or point with an R-22 in a CP23, You will be
disappointed. A Precision 23 would be a much closer competition.
Rik
Bob Keller wrote:
> Philip,
> I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable
> and less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would
> do the same and would point better. However, it's not as trailerable,
> so there are always compromises. My point was that the wide beam
> negatively affects pointing ability. I previously owned a 21' piece
> of crap boat that had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was
> also pretty narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very
> stable. But it smelled really bad...
> Bob K
>
>
>> From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
>>
>> Bob,
>> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that
>> is, less
>> prone to capsize?
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>
>> Erly,
>> I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I
>> do love
>> the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks. It does not
>> point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a
>> deep
>> fixed keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
>> combination
>> is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just not
>> that
>> great for windward sailing. In five years I have had ongoing, almost
>> continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering
>> freely and
>> am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am going to
>> pull
>> the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again. While
>> the
>> Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
>> probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide.
>> Still, I
>> chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite
>> these
>> ongoing problems. If you have the "older design" centerboard, you
>> might be
>> better off. Good luck.
>> Bob K
>> Yankee Clipper
>>
>>
>> >From: "Erly Garner" <erlyg at charter.net>
>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
>> >
>> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound too
>> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>> >
>> >Erly
>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>> <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >
>> >
>> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow 5,000
>> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
>> times a
>> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a
>> lot of
>> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes does
>> tow
>> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
>> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
>> than a
>> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to raise
>> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
>> than
>> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB sells
>> >>comes in very handy.
>> >>
>> >>Best,
>> >>
>> >>Mary Lou
>> >>1991 R22 Fretless
>> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>> >>
>> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
>> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a trip
>> for a
>> >>>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
>> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized truck.
>> >>>
>> >>>Erly
>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa versa
>> (i.e.
>> >>>>the
>> >>>>boring list).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
>> Haslett
>> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Philip,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot
>> boat that
>> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>> legendary.
>> >>>>The
>> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30 footer
>> >>>>ever
>> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is a
>> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
>> sailboats.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many
>> days that
>> >>>>I
>> >>>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search
>> is over.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Brad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet,
>> but then
>> >>>>>it
>> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
>> company
>> >>>>>were
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
>> personal
>> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
>> negatives.
>> >>>>>But
>> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
>> outstanding boat.
>> >>>>The
>> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Philip
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
>> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Ed K
>> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
>> Rhodes
>> >>>>>but
>> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
>> >>>>>investment.
>> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
>> Rhodes (93
>> >>>>>Toyota
>> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
>> >>>>>negative
>> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Erly
>> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> >>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Erly:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. When
>> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
>> >>>>>compare. And
>> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22.
>> As the
>> >>>>>owner
>> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of the
>> >>>>>season
>> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
>> >>>>>currently
>> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes
>> 22, it
>> >>>>>is
>> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look
>> at this
>> >>>>>web
>> >>>>>site:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Ed K
>> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Hi:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19. I'm
>> >>>>>just
>> >>>>>now
>> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
>> >>>>>indicates > that
>> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to have
>> >>>>>an > easily
>> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake sailing,
>> >>>>>girlfriend
>> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
>> weekends,
>> >>>>>and
>> >>>>>want
>> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
>> there is no
>> >>>>>other
>> >>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
>> disadvantages of a
>> >>>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Thanks,
>> >>>>> > Erly
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