[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
Bob Weber
ruba1811 at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 19 12:44:46 EDT 2006
I Second Riks opinion. I have a standard rig but with 1 reef and 80-100
headsail. I have managed to get 13 miles up wind in steady 15 - 20kts with
occasional 25s. It was a whole lot like work but never felt like I was
doing anything unwise. Heavy wx sailing is more a factor of how prepared
the skipper and the boat are. Bob Weber
>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:38:24 -0500
>
>Erly,
>
>We were never very weather shy with our Rhodes. We had her out in winds
>over 25 with gusts up to 35 and big waves to boot ... she did fine. Of
>course, as with any sailboat, you have to have the appropriate amount of
>sail out for the wind you have to deal with. The beauty of the R-22 is that
>the appropriate amount of sail is so easy to change.
>
>So, what you "got" wasn't really news at all. Just an opinion from somebody
>who probably has no first hand experience.
>
>Rik
>
>Erly Garner wrote:
>>I've gotten news that the Rhodes 22 isn't exactly easy to handle in
>>stronger winds. What are your feelings on handling in say 20 knots or a
>>little stronger?
>>
>>Erly
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Keller"
>><r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:07 PM
>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>
>>
>>>Philip,
>>>I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable and
>>>less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would do the
>>>same and would point better. However, it's not as trailerable, so there
>>>are always compromises. My point was that the wide beam negatively
>>>affects pointing ability. I previously owned a 21' piece of crap boat
>>>that had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was also pretty
>>>narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very stable. But
>>>it smelled really bad...
>>>Bob K
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
>>>>
>>>>Bob,
>>>> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that is,
>>>>less
>>>>prone to capsize?
>>>>
>>>>Philip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>>
>>>>Erly,
>>>>I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I do
>>>>love
>>>>the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks. It does not
>>>>point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a
>>>>deep
>>>>fixed keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
>>>>combination
>>>>is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just not
>>>>that
>>>>great for windward sailing. In five years I have had ongoing, almost
>>>>continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering freely
>>>>and
>>>>am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am going to
>>>>pull
>>>>the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again. While
>>>>the
>>>>Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
>>>>probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide.
>>>>Still, I
>>>>chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite
>>>>these
>>>>ongoing problems. If you have the "older design" centerboard, you might
>>>>be
>>>>better off. Good luck.
>>>>Bob K
>>>>Yankee Clipper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: "Erly Garner" <erlyg at charter.net>
>>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
>>>> >
>>>> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound too
>>>> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>>>> >
>>>> >Erly
>>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>>>> ><mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow
>>>>5,000
>>>> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
>>>>times
>>>>a
>>>> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a lot
>>>> >>of
>>>> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes does
>>>>tow
>>>> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
>>>> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
>>>>than
>>>>a
>>>> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to
>>>>raise
>>>> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
>>>>than
>>>> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB sells
>>>> >>comes in very handy.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Mary Lou
>>>> >>1991 R22 Fretless
>>>> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
>>>> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a trip
>>>>for
>>>>a
>>>> >>>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
>>>> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized
>>>>truck.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Erly
>>>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>>> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>>>> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa versa
>>>>(i.e.
>>>> >>>>the
>>>> >>>>boring list).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
>>>>Haslett
>>>> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>>>> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Philip,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot boat
>>>>that
>>>> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>>>>legendary.
>>>> >>>>The
>>>> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30
>>>>footer
>>>> >>>>ever
>>>> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is
>>>>a
>>>> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
>>>>sailboats.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many days
>>>>that
>>>> >>>>I
>>>> >>>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search is
>>>>over.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Brad
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet, but
>>>>then
>>>> >>>>>it
>>>> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
>>>> >>>>>company
>>>> >>>>>were
>>>> >>>>a
>>>> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
>>>>personal
>>>> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
>>>> >>>>>negatives.
>>>> >>>>>But
>>>> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one outstanding
>>>>boat.
>>>> >>>>The
>>>> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Philip
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
>>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
>>>> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>>> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
>>>>Rhodes
>>>> >>>>>but
>>>> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
>>>> >>>>>investment.
>>>> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a Rhodes
>>>> >>>>>(93
>>>> >>>>>Toyota
>>>> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
>>>> >>>>>negative
>>>> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Erly
>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>>>From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>> >>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Erly:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22.
>>>>When
>>>> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
>>>> >>>>>compare. And
>>>> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22. As
>>>>the
>>>> >>>>>owner
>>>> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of
>>>>the
>>>> >>>>>season
>>>> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
>>>> >>>>>currently
>>>> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes 22,
>>>> >>>>> it
>>>> >>>>>is
>>>> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look at
>>>>this
>>>> >>>>>web
>>>> >>>>>site:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>>> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > Hi:
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19.
>>>>I'm
>>>> >>>>>just
>>>> >>>>>now
>>>> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
>>>> >>>>>indicates > that
>>>> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to have
>>>> >>>>>an > easily
>>>> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake sailing,
>>>> >>>>>girlfriend
>>>> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
>>>>weekends,
>>>> >>>>>and
>>>> >>>>>want
>>>> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say there
>>>>is
>>>>no
>>>> >>>>>other
>>>> >>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and disadvantages
>>>> >>>>> > of
>>>>a
>>>> >>>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >>>>> > Erly
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>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>--
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>>>> >>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>>>> >>>>>
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