[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22

Tue Sep 19 23:45:56 EDT 2006

No, it was a Windward 21.  Try finding that on the web...
Bob K

>From: john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
>bob,
>   was that 21' poc a venture by any chance?
>
>anima13 <anima13 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>   Yea, but Rik,
>Remember, I out-pointed you WITH my 175 up in our R-22 race of
>years ago (seems like yesterday).
>That is the racer in me!
>I just winch that genoa in tight and head up...hang onto the
>main sheet to let 'er out a little to maintain your 15 degree
>heel for speed.
>speaking of J-34....we have our big regatta Sat so we pulled the
>J-34 and sprayed the bottom after our summer of 100+ degrees.
>That heat sure makes for nasty bottoms.
>Wish us luck!
>Gee, Rik, This is your usual time to be here...miss you.
>Hope Sandy is doing better.
>Anne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:20 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>
>
>Bob,
>
>I never had a problem with how well my R-22 would point. although, I did
>get beat up pretty bad (pointing wise) by a J-34 once ..... big
>surprise, eh??
>
>The "wide beam" you keep mentioning really is not that wide at all. Yes,
>overall it is 8 feet, BUT, that is at the gunnels, NOT at the water
>line. I think you will find, if you check into it that the R-22 has a
>fairly narrow beam *at the waterline* compared to most boats in this
>length range. (about 6 1/2 feet)
>
>If there is a pointing problem, it's the 175 genoa. It makes a lot of
>power, but you can't hang that much canvas outside the shrouds and
>expect to point high too. Get a 125 and sheet it inside if you want to
>point. 'Course, you're gonna' want a little wind to get moving good
>then, but as they say, you can't always get what you want :-)
>
>PS: don't try to keep up to or point with an R-22 in a CP23, You will be
>disappointed. A Precision 23 would be a much closer competition.
>
>Rik
>
>Bob Keller wrote:
> > Philip,
> > I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable
> > and less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would
> > do the same and would point better. However, it's not as trailerable,
> > so there are always compromises. My point was that the wide beam
> > negatively affects pointing ability. I previously owned a 21' piece
> > of crap boat that had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was
> > also pretty narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very
> > stable. But it smelled really bad...
> > Bob K
> >
> >
> >> From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
> >>
> >> Bob,
> >> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that
> >> is, less
> >> prone to capsize?
> >>
> >> Philip
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >>
> >> Erly,
> >> I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I
> >> do love
> >> the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks. It does not
> >> point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a
> >> deep
> >> fixed keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
> >> combination
> >> is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just not
> >> that
> >> great for windward sailing. In five years I have had ongoing, almost
> >> continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering
> >> freely and
> >> am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am going to
> >> pull
> >> the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again. While
> >> the
> >> Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
> >> probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide.
> >> Still, I
> >> chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite
> >> these
> >> ongoing problems. If you have the "older design" centerboard, you
> >> might be
> >> better off. Good luck.
> >> Bob K
> >> Yankee Clipper
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Erly Garner"
> >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
> >> >
> >> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound too
> >> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
> >> >
> >> >Erly
> >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >>
> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow 5,000
> >> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
> >> times a
> >> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a
> >> lot of
> >> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes does
> >> tow
> >> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
> >> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
> >> than a
> >> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to 
>raise
> >> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
> >> than
> >> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB sells
> >> >>comes in very handy.
> >> >>
> >> >>Best,
> >> >>
> >> >>Mary Lou
> >> >>1991 R22 Fretless
> >> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >> >>
> >> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> >> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a trip
> >> for a
> >> >>>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
> >> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized 
>truck.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Erly
> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa versa
> >> (i.e.
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>boring list).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
> >> Haslett
> >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Philip,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot
> >> boat that
> >> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
> >> legendary.
> >> >>>>The
> >> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30 
>footer
> >> >>>>ever
> >> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is a
> >> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
> >> sailboats.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many
> >> days that
> >> >>>>I
> >> >>>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search
> >> is over.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Brad
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet,
> >> but then
> >> >>>>>it
> >> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
> >> company
> >> >>>>>were
> >> >>>>a
> >> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
> >> personal
> >> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
> >> negatives.
> >> >>>>>But
> >> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
> >> outstanding boat.
> >> >>>>The
> >> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Philip
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> >> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
> >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> >> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Ed K
> >> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
> >> Rhodes
> >> >>>>>but
> >> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
> >> >>>>>investment.
> >> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
> >> Rhodes (93
> >> >>>>>Toyota
> >> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
> >> >>>>>negative
> >> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Erly
> >> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>>From: "Tootle"
> >> >>>>>To:
> >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Erly:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. When
> >> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
> >> >>>>>compare. And
> >> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22.
> >> As the
> >> >>>>>owner
> >> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of 
>the
> >> >>>>>season
> >> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
> >> >>>>>currently
> >> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes
> >> 22, it
> >> >>>>>is
> >> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look
> >> at this
> >> >>>>>web
> >> >>>>>site:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Ed K
> >> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Hi:
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19. I'm
> >> >>>>>just
> >> >>>>>now
> >> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
> >> >>>>>indicates > that
> >> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to have
> >> >>>>>an > easily
> >> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake sailing,
> >> >>>>>girlfriend
> >> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
> >> weekends,
> >> >>>>>and
> >> >>>>>want
> >> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
> >> there is no
> >> >>>>>other
> >> >>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
> >> disadvantages of a
> >> >>>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > Thanks,
> >> >>>>> > Erly
> >> >>>>> > __________________________________________________
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> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>--
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> >> >>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
> >> >>>>>
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