[Rhodes22-list] Captain Bob Kellers dream boat

Wed Sep 20 21:29:34 EDT 2006

Ed,
That boat in the link does not even vaguely resemble my former beloved 
Windward 21.  As for all the other repairs you recommend on the CB, I will 
sell my boat before I do all that!
Bob K

>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Captain Bob Kellers dream boat
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:41:30 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Bob,
>
>      Is this what you are chattering about:
>
>http://www.cmdboats.com/windward21.htm
>
>       As to your centerboard, go to  Lowes and get a Porter Cable 6" 
>Orbital
>sander ($110), take center board out, sand and fair out board so that it 
>has
>appropriate clearances and refinish.  Refinish with epoxy with telfon
>additive.  If you have any problems inside well you will have to refinish
>inside of well too.  That is much more difficut.  The only way I am 
>familiar
>with working is to get a college fraternity paddle and attach sandpaper to
>it and mannually sand inside of well.  Then refinish with sealing epoxy, 
>and
>teflon epoxy.  Doing both should make movement slick as a whistle.
>
>         Teflon addititive can be obtained from this source:
>
>http://www.epoxyproducts.com/f_mixin.html   (about two thirds down page)
>BTW if you refinish you hull with this stuff added to final coating you
>might even be able to keep up with Captain Rummy.
>
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA
>
>
>
>
>Bob Keller wrote:
> >
> > No, it was a Windward 21.  Try finding that on the web...
> > Bob K
> >
> >
> >>From: john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
> >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>bob,
> >>   was that 21' poc a venture by any chance?
> >>
> >>anima13 <anima13 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>   Yea, but Rik,
> >>Remember, I out-pointed you WITH my 175 up in our R-22 race of
> >>years ago (seems like yesterday).
> >>That is the racer in me!
> >>I just winch that genoa in tight and head up...hang onto the
> >>main sheet to let 'er out a little to maintain your 15 degree
> >>heel for speed.
> >>speaking of J-34....we have our big regatta Sat so we pulled the
> >>J-34 and sprayed the bottom after our summer of 100+ degrees.
> >>That heat sure makes for nasty bottoms.
> >>Wish us luck!
> >>Gee, Rik, This is your usual time to be here...miss you.
> >>Hope Sandy is doing better.
> >>Anne
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
> >>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:20 PM
> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >>
> >>
> >>Bob,
> >>
> >>I never had a problem with how well my R-22 would point. although, I did
> >>get beat up pretty bad (pointing wise) by a J-34 once ..... big
> >>surprise, eh??
> >>
> >>The "wide beam" you keep mentioning really is not that wide at all. Yes,
> >>overall it is 8 feet, BUT, that is at the gunnels, NOT at the water
> >>line. I think you will find, if you check into it that the R-22 has a
> >>fairly narrow beam *at the waterline* compared to most boats in this
> >>length range. (about 6 1/2 feet)
> >>
> >>If there is a pointing problem, it's the 175 genoa. It makes a lot of
> >>power, but you can't hang that much canvas outside the shrouds and
> >>expect to point high too. Get a 125 and sheet it inside if you want to
> >>point. 'Course, you're gonna' want a little wind to get moving good
> >>then, but as they say, you can't always get what you want :-)
> >>
> >>PS: don't try to keep up to or point with an R-22 in a CP23, You will be
> >>disappointed. A Precision 23 would be a much closer competition.
> >>
> >>Rik
> >>
> >>Bob Keller wrote:
> >> > Philip,
> >> > I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable
> >> > and less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would
> >> > do the same and would point better. However, it's not as trailerable,
> >> > so there are always compromises. My point was that the wide beam
> >> > negatively affects pointing ability. I previously owned a 21' piece
> >> > of crap boat that had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was
> >> > also pretty narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very
> >> > stable. But it smelled really bad...
> >> > Bob K
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
> >> >>
> >> >> Bob,
> >> >> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that
> >> >> is, less
> >> >> prone to capsize?
> >> >>
> >> >> Philip
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
> >> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >>
> >> >> Erly,
> >> >> I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I
> >> >> do love
> >> >> the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks. It does
> >> not
> >> >> point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a
> >> >> deep
> >> >> fixed keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
> >> >> combination
> >> >> is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just 
>not
> >> >> that
> >> >> great for windward sailing. In five years I have had ongoing, almost
> >> >> continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering
> >> >> freely and
> >> >> am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am going to
> >> >> pull
> >> >> the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again. While
> >> >> the
> >> >> Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
> >> >> probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide.
> >> >> Still, I
> >> >> chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite
> >> >> these
> >> >> ongoing problems. If you have the "older design" centerboard, you
> >> >> might be
> >> >> better off. Good luck.
> >> >> Bob K
> >> >> Yankee Clipper
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >From: "Erly Garner"
> >> >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
> >> >> >
> >> >> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound
> >> too
> >> >> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Erly
> >> >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >> >>
> >> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow
> >> 5,000
> >> >> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
> >> >> times a
> >> >> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a
> >> >> lot of
> >> >> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes 
>does
> >> >> tow
> >> >> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
> >> >> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
> >> >> than a
> >> >> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to
> >>raise
> >> >> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
> >> >> than
> >> >> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB
> >> sells
> >> >> >>comes in very handy.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Best,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Mary Lou
> >> >> >>1991 R22 Fretless
> >> >> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> >> >> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a 
>trip
> >> >> for a
> >> >> >>>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
> >> >> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized
> >>truck.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Erly
> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >> >> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >> >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> >> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa 
>versa
> >> >> (i.e.
> >> >> >>>>the
> >> >> >>>>boring list).
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
> >> >> Haslett
> >> >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> >> >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Philip,
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot
> >> >> boat that
> >> >> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
> >> >> legendary.
> >> >> >>>>The
> >> >> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30
> >>footer
> >> >> >>>>ever
> >> >> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) 
>is
> >> a
> >> >> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
> >> >> sailboats.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many
> >> >> days that
> >> >> >>>>I
> >> >> >>>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search
> >> >> is over.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Brad
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet,
> >> >> but then
> >> >> >>>>>it
> >> >> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
> >> >> company
> >> >> >>>>>were
> >> >> >>>>a
> >> >> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
> >> >> personal
> >> >> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
> >> >> negatives.
> >> >> >>>>>But
> >> >> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
> >> >> outstanding boat.
> >> >> >>>>The
> >> >> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Philip
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> >> >> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
> >> >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> >> >> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Ed K
> >> >> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
> >> >> Rhodes
> >> >> >>>>>but
> >> >> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
> >> >> >>>>>investment.
> >> >> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
> >> >> Rhodes (93
> >> >> >>>>>Toyota
> >> >> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
> >> >> >>>>>negative
> >> >> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Erly
> >> >> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>>>>From: "Tootle"
> >> >> >>>>>To:
> >> >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> >> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Erly:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. When
> >> >> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
> >> >> >>>>>compare. And
> >> >> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22.
> >> >> As the
> >> >> >>>>>owner
> >> >> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of
> >>the
> >> >> >>>>>season
> >> >> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
> >> >> >>>>>currently
> >> >> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes
> >> >> 22, it
> >> >> >>>>>is
> >> >> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look
> >> >> at this
> >> >> >>>>>web
> >> >> >>>>>site:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Ed K
> >> >> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>> > Hi:
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19.
> >> I'm
> >> >> >>>>>just
> >> >> >>>>>now
> >> >> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
> >> >> >>>>>indicates > that
> >> >> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to 
>have
> >> >> >>>>>an > easily
> >> >> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake
> >> sailing,
> >> >> >>>>>girlfriend
> >> >> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
> >> >> weekends,
> >> >> >>>>>and
> >> >> >>>>>want
> >> >> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
> >> >> there is no
> >> >> >>>>>other
> >> >> >>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
> >> >> disadvantages of a
> >> >> >>>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>> > Thanks,
> >> >> >>>>> > Erly
> >> >> >>>>> > __________________________________________________
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