[Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions

[stan]

cross over is just my Madison Avenue hang over for the fact that one set of 
stays takes the job over from the other set of stays as the mast raises 
through its arc to take care of any sideways action.

I am sure that how the extension chains or links do this is in the posted 
instructions.

re your other question, if you have the mast hoist instruction booklet, you 
will note it is dedicated to all those who made the supreme sacrifice in the 
development of this product.

If you want this booklet it is $795 - the mast hoist system comes with it as 
a free premium.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions


> Stan,
>
> To quote from my earlier post:
> "Lou had printed instructions that appeared to have been downloaded from 
> the
> list.  I believe that they had originally been provided by Slim:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-April/022314.html "
>
> These instructions do not mention "hoist cross over" and required
> substantial attention to lateral motion when raising the stock Rhodes,
> non-IMF mast.  Would you please post new instructions (and diagrams?) of 
> the
> hoist cross over system.
>
> "no one ALIVE TODAY has ever reported a failure"?  Does this mean what it
> seems to imply? :~))
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>       Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com> Friday, August 31, 2007 9:25 AM
>> the correct use of the extension chains with the hoist cross over system
>> does not require any controlling of shrouds when you raise or lower a
>> Rhodes
>> mast.   just keep the area clear, close your eyes and turn the winch
>> handle - no one alive today has ever reported a failure.
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions
>>
>>
>>> Art,
>>>
>>> That's exactly what I was doing as we raised the mast using the crane.
>>> Lou's boat was on land (blocks & stands) so all was very still and there
>>> was
>>> no problem, really.  I had never used the crane before and was simply
>>> concerned about the lateral movement of the mast.  As you indicate, the
>>> only
>>> lateral control you have is by applying pressure to the shrouds.
>>>
>>> I still feel much more "in control" when raising by hand.  With 2 people
>>> on
>>> the foredeck, raising the mast from the bow, I have never worried about
>>> damage or loss, on the trailer or on water.  When I first started 
>>> sailing
>>> my
>>> R22 in '81, we trailered almost daily, setting up and launching in about
>>> 30
>>> minutes with a 4 person team.  Now, we perform this action once or twice
>>> a
>>> season with a 2 person team, as we are moored in the river and not
>>> trailer-sailors any longer.  As with most things, age has decreased the
>>> frequency but not necessarily the ability.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>       Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net> Thursday, August
>>> 30,
>>> 2007 10:47 PM
>>>> Mike,
>>>> Given that there is some sway in the mast as it is raised or lowered,
>>>> especially at the 45 degree point, the midway point, you can apply some
>>>> control through the shrouds by applying differential pressure to the
>>>> wires.  You have to be judicial, but if you apply pressure, in any
>>>> direction, on a shroud, the mast will move in that same direction.  I'd
>>>> practice this while on the trailer and see the effect.
>>>> Do you step the mast from the bow while on the water?  Maybe I 
>>>> mis-read.
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>>Sent: Aug 30, 2007 1:18 PM
>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions
>>>>>
>>>>>Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>>Lou had printed instructions that appeared to have been downloaded from
>>>>>the
>>>>>list.  I believe that they had originally been provided by Slim:
>>>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-April/022314.html
>>>>>We followed them and as the mast is raised, I fail to see what prevents
>>>>>sideways movement once the mast leaves the crutch.  I have stepped my
>>>>>mast
>>>>>many times while on the water and am very concerned about lateral
>>>>>movement.
>>>>>I have always felt comfortable while raising the mast from the bow 
>>>>>since
>>>>>I
>>>>>maintained strong contact with the mast at all times.  When raising the
>>>>>mast
>>>>>from the stern using the crane system, the mast was out of reach for
>>>>>much
>>>>>of
>>>>>the time, too high to reach from the cockpit and to far astern to 
>>>>>safely
>>>>>reach from the deck while operating the crane.  None of the shrouds 
>>>>>were
>>>>>really tight enough to provide lateral restraint until it was nearly
>>>>>vertical and then, it was only the uppers.  When raised the old way, 
>>>>>the
>>>>>uppers and forward lowers are never removed, providing immediate 
>>>>>support
>>>>>of
>>>>>the mast when vertical (except for falling forward until the aft lowers
>>>>>are
>>>>>connected.)  What did we do wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>>Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>>From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>> The crane system, if used properly will not allow the mast to swing
>>>>>> sideways. I believe you missed something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>
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