[Rhodes22-list] Smoking cessation reply to Bob and Slim, et al.

[Slim]

Ed's comments are not the least bit discouraging to me.  Nothing anyone said
stopped me from smoking and nothing anyone says will stop me from quitting.
I just checked yesterday and my BP is already lower.

Slim

On 2/8/07 10:05 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Yeah, Ed,
> 
> Slim,
> 
> When you finish with the pills, Cocaine blocks dopamine receptors.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>> Excuse me Ed, but I gotta' agree with Robert on this one
>> 
>>> Finally, you should be ashamed of yourself for uttering even a
>>> syllable of discouragement in the presence of someone undertaking the
>>> most difficult task of breaking an addiction.
>>> 
>> Better to quit smoking than to continue. Quitting WILL cause an
>> improvement in health. Not quitting WILL cause further damage. Which
>> is better??? Would an encouraging word be too much to ask from you
>> once in a while???
>> 
>> Rik
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> 
>>> Ed, in your own endearing way, you have left on a one-man parade of
>>> verbosity without putting your pants on.  For your edification, I
>>> have interspersed my observations and corrections in your stream of
>>> unconsciousness.
>>> 
>>> /Robert
>>> 
>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> Bob,  You say that you are sorry about
>>>> informing others of the veracity of posts
>>>> by checking Snopes?
>>>>   
>>> 
>>> Yes, Ed, I regret that some of our more enlightened members may feel
>>> some hurt as they find that long-standing beliefs are at odds with
>>> the facts, and have to accommodate a new view.  I do not expect that
>>> you have that problem.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> I have not checked Snopes on the following because not
>>>> all will agree with it up front.  You said, "At this
>>>> point, the docs cannot determine whether we ever smoked
>>>> based on our physical exams.  It's now as if we never
>>>> smoked."
>>>>   
>>> 
>>> Note that I used the phrase "at this point".  I was referring to a
>>> point in time, specifically THIS point in our personal lives.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> Then you better change doctors because competent
>>>> physicians usually can detect smokers who have
>>>> smoked as little as three years fifty years ago.
>>>>   
>>> 
>>> I'll stick with my doc, thank you.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> While the body is able to repair much damage caused by smoking to
>>>> internal
>>>> organs, some, especially to the lungs is permanent.  Many patients
>>>> have told
>>>> me that they do not smoke and I record that information on patient
>>>> histories, only to have a Radiologist ask me to ask the patient for
>>>> more
>>>> details.  Nine times out of ten, they smoked years ago.  The other
>>>> one in
>>>> ten turns out to have been exposed to air borne junk, like mine work or
>>>> cotton mill work.
>>>> The good part of quitting is that some recovery does take place,
>>>> less damage continues to occur and the risk of lung cancer drops.
>>>>   
>>> 
>>> I hear what you say.  It may be true that if you dig deep enough, you
>>> might find some evidence.  Sort of like WMD in Iraq.  However, in our
>>> case, the doc measures current lung function and lung capacity, and
>>> we are up to norms.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> The eventual development of emphysema does not go away.  When damage
>>>> occurs
>>>> to air sac (aveoli) walls it is permanent...
>>>>   
>>> 
>>> That is debatable.  I find it difficult to believe that in as
>>> critical an organ as the lungs there is no repair mechanism -
>>> especially in my observations of my own health.
>>> 
>>> Further, there is some reason to suspect that emphysema has a genetic
>>> component.  If so, I'm pretty well off - my father smoked incessantly
>>> until a person driving over the speed limit killed him at 87.
>>> 
>>> Finally, you should be ashamed of yourself for uttering even a
>>> syllable of discouragement in the presence of someone undertaking the
>>> most difficult task of breaking an addiction.
>>>  
>>> 
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