[Rhodes22-list] Cruising Direct laminate sail
TN Rhodey
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 9 15:07:25 EST 2007
PT,
Our B fleet was a real mixed bag. The serious guys are in the J Boats racing
in the A fleet. Every now and then a Catalina 22 would race in our fleet but
for some reason they are not well represented in our race fleet. Our fleet
consisted of O'Day 222, Seafarer 23, Newport 28, a couple of Catalina 30s,
Catalina 27, Compac 23, a couple of O'Day 28 and a few other odd balls. We
have a San Juan 30 something but no little Juans.
Our B fleet has a wide range of skill level. We sail on a river and local
knowledge pays off for those that pay attention. I have been sailing longer
than most of the other guys. Sailing solo I usually placed top three
corrected. I know with crew I could have done even better. I never could
beat that Seafarer 23.....once almost in light wind....
Wally
>From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising Direct laminate sail
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:27:12 -0500
>
>Wally,
>
>I just got word my new sail will ship in about a week and a half. That's
>way before when I'll need it (a good thing) and it will have taken only
>about 30 days from order to delivery. You should allow plenty of time to
>measure the boat (measure thrice, order once, etc.) and of course the mast
>must be up.
>
>NC-PHRF rated Raven 276 with a 155 in the jib and main (no spinnakers)
>fleet. I can't wait to get on the starting line...
>
>Do you race Catalina 22s and San Juan 21s in your R22 out there?
>
>PT
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:03 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
>
>
> > PT,
> >
> > Dacron and Mylar ....I didn't know they could do that. I am going with a
>155
> > so i will wait fo ryour review.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:01:38 -0500
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >Of course I am planning to share the info about my new Cruising Direct
>sail
> > >from with da list. Dan Calore is working on a graphic image showing
>the
> > >high clew and the "molds" they use to design the sail shape. I'll pass
>it
> > >on when I get it.
> > >
> > >Basically, a light air sail needs to be lightweight. Raven has a 20+
>y/o
> > >Lee 175 that's 5-6oz and when the wind is really light it just won't
>fill
> > >--
> > >but it has hard a very, very long useful life at that cloth weight.
> > >Granted, I probably race in conditions when most would furl and motor,
>but
> > >with the right sail you can keep going. The new sail is Dacron on one
>side
> > >and Mylar on the other. It's 3.2 oz with a white leech/foot "coating"
>for
> > >UV so it can be left on the CDI. Dan says the sail is designed to a
>little
> > >over 30 knots (before it blows apart) and should last about 7 years the
>way
> > >I sail. By contrast, their Dacron sail would be about $200 cheaper and
> > >weigh about 4.7 oz. But it won't hold a great shape for as long as the
> > >laminated cloth sail will, so I think the laminate actually gives
>longer
> > >"great sail shape" life.
> > >
> > >The standard GBI issue Doyle 175 is a pretty good compromise for those
>with
> > >only one headsail. It's at best in 6-10, needs to be furled much over
>that
> > >and, as mentioned above, my heavy old Lee 175 won't hold shape in very
> > >light
> > >air. In PHRF racing it would also accrue a 9 point rating penalty and
>I
> > >just didn't want to go there...
> > >
> > >The sail is built to measurements I took off Raven's and her CDI.
> > >Fortunately, Raven came with a max length CDI, only short by about 5"
>from
> > >the mast crane.
> > >
> > >As I recall:
> > >
> > > 38-40% maximum draft forward
> > > enough twist to clear the spreaders, not much more
> > > high clew - about 2' ( I like to see to leeward)
> > > max luff (CDI - 1")
> > > leech is slight concave
> > > foot is roached
> > > optimized to set full at rear of track, car moves forward as
>furled
> > > max LP = 155 on the money
> > >
> > >I'll let you know more later.
> > >
> > >PT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:42 AM
> > >Subject: RE: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Doug - Both of the sails that came with my boat had rope luff. I
>haven't
> > > > used a foam luff so I can't compare but the rope luff worked great
>when
> > > > furled.
> > > >
> > > > PT - I am curious about your new sail. I am ordering a sail this
>spring
> > >and
> > > > half been considering all of the options. I have held off long
> > >enough...well
> > > > actually too long. I am leaning towards dacron because I will leave
>the
> > >sail
> > > > on the boat. I am guessing yours is a race sail; is there a
>sacrificial
> > > > strip? Did you bother with window? My current quantum sail is
>dacron
> > >and
> > > > the sacrifical strip is a heavier grade dacron. It holds shape much
> > >better
> > > > than some of the heavier cloths used. The dacron lasted 6 years and
>is
> > >just
> > > > now showiing signs of wear. I am thinging of ordering the same...did
>you
> > > > provide actual measurements or did they have something "on file"? I
>know
> > >you
> > > > will update us when you recieve....oh yeah how long did they say it
> > >would
> > > > take?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >CC: Dan Calore <dan at direct.northsails.com>
> > > > >Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > > >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:11:37 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Doug,
> > > > >
> > > > >I really don't know, but passed your note to Dan Calore, who just
>sold
> > >me
> > >a
> > > > >PHRF optimized semi-mylar 3.2 oz 155, and got Dan's response below.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cruising Direct is North's discount high volume outlet. Sold on
>the
> > >web
> > >in
> > > > >Rhode Island, designed in San Diego (by North guys) and
>manufactured
>in
> > >Sri
> > > > >Lanka. Globalization has hit sails! The price was excellent, but
>I
> > > > >haven't
> > > > >received the sail yet. They were responsive to my concerns for a
>max
> > >luff
> > > > >and high clew. They guaranteed critical measurements (luff and LP)
>to
> > > > >reasonable tolerance, +/- 2" everywhere else. We'll see...
> > > > >
> > > > >Good luck with your new sail.
> > > > >
> > > > >PT
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Dan Calore" <dan at direct.northsails.com>
> > > > >To: "'Peter Thorn'" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:53 PM
> > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Peter,
> > > > > > We actually use the RopeLuff pad as well. As far as cost
>goes
> > >the
> > > > > > ropeluff is cost more money to manufacture and install then a
>foam
> > >luff.
> > > > > > North Sails is using the Ropeluff pads on almost every sail,
>because
> > > > >they
> > > > > > maintain their shape over the life of the sail better then a
>foam
> > >luff,
> > > > >they
> > > > > > do not absorb water or mildew as quickly as a foam luff either.
> > > > >Another
> > > > > > advantage is that you can remove the rope from the luff pocket
>and
> > > > >reinstall
> > > > > > it relatively easily if you so desire. Having sailed with both
>the
> > > > >foam
> > > > > > and rope I think that the ropeluff gives you better shape when
> > >partially
> > > > > > furled and would go with that on my own boat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter I hope this helps, if you need more detail please let me
>know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan Calore
> > > > > > Cruising Direct Sails
> > > > > > North Sails
> > > > > > 1-888-424-7328
> > > > > > 1-401-366-6012
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Peter Thorn [mailto:pthorn at nc.rr.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:43 PM
> > > > > > To: Dan Calore
> > > > > > Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This came in on the Rhodes 22 list-serve today. I would
>appreciate
> > >your
> > > > > > comments. As I recall you use foam luffs, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)"
><douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com>
> > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:27 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everybody,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do any of you have experience with a rope luff pad?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just received my new 150% Genoa, and had specified a seafoam
>luff
> > >pad.
> > > > > > However, it was delivered from Doyle with a rope luff pad. I
>know
> > >that
> > > > > > North is touting the rope luff as the next great thing (doesn't
> > > > > > compress, doesn't absorb water, etc.). But it seems to me that
>its
> > > > > > greatest advantage is that it is easy to install, and that is
> > >probably
> > > > > > why Doyle is going with it too. Stan said that all of their
>larger
> > > > > > sails still come with the foam pad, so he doesn't know what is
>going
> > >on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I send it back to Doyle and tell them to send me what I
>asked
> > > > > > for, I'd like some opinions on whether or not I should be glad I
> > >have
> > > > > > the rope luff pad instead of the foam pad. My web searches
>haven't
> > > > > > turned up anything but the company propaganda, so I really don't
> > >have
> > >an
> > > > > > objective opinion. I won't have the opportunity to try it until
> > >May,
> > > > > > and my guess is that will be a little late to tell them to do it
> > >right!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Doug Gardner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > s/v Fretnaught
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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