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  Today's Topics:

     1. Re: Loose-Footed Mains (Robert Skinner)
     2. Re: Boat Naming (benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com<mailto:benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>)


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  Message: 1
  Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:02:40 -0400
  From: Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com<mailto:robert at squirrelhaven.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loose-Footed Mains
  To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
  Message-ID: <46A7BA70.50E6A9B at squirrelhaven.com<mailto:46A7BA70.50E6A9B at squirrelhavencom>>
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  Thank you, it looks like valuable commentary.

  Robert

  James Barron wrote:
  > 
  > Robert:
  > 
  > When I click on the link sent by Leland I get the following article from
  > Sailnet:
  > 
  > Racing sailors in particular are keenly aware that once the breeze pipes
  > up, you need to make certain adjustments to keep your sail shape optimized.
  > With a mainsail, that begins with tweaking the halyard to achieve a luff
  > tension that's in the ballpark for the given conditions. Then-if your boat
  > has a standard Marconi rig-you'll begin making adjustments to the backstay,
  > outhaul, and cunningham to fine-tune the sail's overall shape. Of course,
  > the most frequent adjustments are made using the traveler and the
  > mainsheet, and on board the most aggressively raced sailboats, the latter
  > is rarely cleated.
  > 
  > Of all these controls, perhaps the one most overlooked by non-racing
  > sailors is the outhaul. Most boat owners follow the 'set it and forget it'
  > approach with this control line. But a properly attended outhaul can afford
  > you surprising control over the lower portion of most mainsails. I say most
  > mainsails because there are different design approaches to the foot section
  > of these sails. On the vast majority of mainsails, you either have a foot
  > that's attached to the boom via slides or a bolt rope, or you have what is
  > known as a loose-footed arrangement wherein just the tack and some portion
  > of the clew are attached.
  > 
  > It used to be that 90 percent of mainsails seen on board recreational
  > sailboats were constructed with an attached foot. However, that situation
  > started to change during the 1980s after America's Cup sail designers began
  > experimenting with loose-footed mainsails. As with most sail design
  > innovations, permutations of this approach eventually trickled down to the
  > recreational arena and became commonplace. These days, the majority of new
  > mainsails are designed with a loose-footed arrangement.
  > 
  > But, besides attachment methods, what really are the differences between a
  > loose-footed mainsail and one that's attached along the boom? Proponents of
  > the former will tell you that loose-footed mainsails are easier to rig and
  > de-rig because there are fewer attachment points and less hardware
  > involved. Consequently, there's almost always less friction as well, which
  > is a boon to those trimming the outhaul. Equally important is the fact that
  > a loose-footed mainsail enables you to more easily rig reefing lines by
  > tying the bitter end around the boom. And some sailors will tell you that
  > having a loose-footed mainsail makes it imminently easier tie on a boom
  > preventer, but I recommend you affix preventer lines to the boom by using
  > dedicated hardware like a padeye. (Most booms aren't designed to sustain
  > the point loading that is likely to occur when you tie a piece of line
  > around the spar's midsection and subject it to high loads.) A further
  > advantage to loose footed mainsails is that they make it possible to load
  > full battens into the sail when it's not already bent on the boom, and that
  > is often easier and more convenient.
  > 
  > Are there disadvantages to loose-footed mainsails? Yes, but these are
  > relatively minor. First, while sailing close-hauled with the mainsail
  > trimmed in hard and the outhaul taut, some loose-footed mainsails will
  > produce foot flutter. On board most boats, this is really more of an
  > annoyance than a performance detractor. And second, some long-range
  > cruising sailors customarily use the foot of their mainsail to collect
  > rainwater. Depending upon the amount of rainfall, this can be a pretty
  > efficient collector, and you obviously can't do that with a loose-footed
  > mainsail.
  > 
  > What about mainsails with an attached foot? What advantages does this
  > system offer? The only true advantage to this system is that it allows the
  > mainsail to have a conventional shelf-foot built into it. A shelf foot is
  > characteristically a lighter weight piece of cloth that is sewn along the
  > foot of the sail from the tack to the clew. This section also connects to
  > the mainsail along the boom, ordinarily via slides or a bolt rope. When the
  > outhaul is loosened, the shelf opens up to produce a fuller shape in that
  > portion of the sail. When the outhaul is tightened, the shelf essentially
  > closes up and flattens alongside the boom. The downside is that the
  > hardware involved (slides or bolt rope) will eventually increase the cost
  > of maintaining the sail due to the wear and tear of these items.
  > 
  > It should be clear at this stage why the majority of sail designers these
  > days favor loose-footed mainsails. Neither concept offers a significant
  > performance advantage under sail for most types of boats, but the
  > loose-footed approach can provide significant advantages from a maintenance
  > and equipment handling standpoint. Also, the fact that almost any existing
  > boom can accommodate a loose-footed arrangement, but an attached foot
  > mainsail requires a boom with either a foot groove or a track further
  > strengthens the loose-footed argument. Of course every sailboat has its
  > idiosyncrasies-as do most owners-so discuss these options with your
  > sailmaker before you commit one way or the other. If you do that first,
  > you'll be much happier no matter what option you choose.
  > 
  > About the Author: Dan Dickison is known throughout the sailing community
  > for his in-depth articles on a variety of sailing topics. His resume
  > includes stints as a staff editor at Sailing World, Editorial Director of
  > SailNet, and Editor of Practical Sailor. In those capacities he has written
  > principally about racing, sail handling, and maintenance. He has also
  > written over 50 freelance articles that have appeared in major sailing
  > publications around the world.
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From:   Robert Skinner
  > Sent:   Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:53 PM
  > To:     The Rhodes 22 mail list
  > Subject:        Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loose-Footed Mains
  > 
  > Nothing showed up.  What am I missing?
  > 
  > /Robert
  > 
  > Leland wrote:
  > >
  > > http://www.sailnet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35266<http://www.sailnetcom/forums/showthread.php?t=35266>
  > > http://www.sailnet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35266<http://www.sailnetcom/forums/showthread.php?t=35266>
  > > --
  > > View this message in context:
  > http://www.nabble.com/Loose-Footed-Mains-tf4137717.html#a11768785<http://www.nabble.com/Loose-Footed-Mains-tf4137717.html#a11768785>
  > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
  > >
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  > 
  > --
  > Robert Skinner  "Squirrel Haven"
  > Gorham, Maine         04038-1331
  > s/v "Little Dipper" & "Edith P."
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  Message: 2
  Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:20:00 -0500
  From: <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com<mailto:benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Naming
  To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
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  Thanks from this lazy boat owner.  I've been meaning to track him down.  I should have known that all I had to do is wait a little while and the list would take care of it for me.

  Ben

  -----Original Message-----

  From:  "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com<mailto:dwbrad at gmail.com>>
  Subj:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Naming
  Date:  Tue Jul 24, 2007 23:35
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  To:  "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>

  I second that...   here are a couple of pictures of the lettering Rik did
  for me last year.  The last e-mail I had for him was:   rik at signsbyrik.net<mailto:rik at signsbyrik.net>.


  Dave



  On 7/24/07, Steve Alm <StevenAlm at comcast.net<mailto:StevenAlm at comcast.net>> wrote:
  >
  > Bill,
  >
  > When you're ready for the lettering, many of us have enlisted the
  > services of Rik Sandberg, a former R22 owner who still monitors the
  > list but rarely posts.
  >
  > His Email address is sanderico at earthlink.net<mailto:sanderico at earthlink.net>
  >
  > He'll never toot his own horn here on this forum since this is a
  > place to socialize, not advertise.  Though truth be told, none of us
  > would object to the posting of his link, which I don't have at the
  > moment--maybe somebody else has it handy.  I know I speak for several
  > satisfied customers that he does fine work.  Here's an example:
  >
  > Slim
  >
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