[Rhodes22-list] Potty question - a special comment to Joe Babb

Tue Sep 11 21:42:14 EDT 2007

Joe,

You received a comment from Mary Lou.  She cited a book, "Sailing Small". 
Mary Lou is our esteemed author on this forum.  You might want to get a
copy:
http://www.devereuxbooks.com/boats.htm

She is the author of the chapter on the Rhodes 22!

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
Addendum:  "Creep stress is a material property that describes how a
material resists the stress of a constant long-term load."  Jeff Wright

Mary Lou Troy-2 wrote:
> 
> Availability of pumpouts should also be considered. Depends where you
> sail.
> 
> We have a portapottie. While dumping and cleaning isn't my favorite 
> job, it's not all that bad. Certainly simpler to keep in working 
> order. Here's what I said in response to an earlier question on the 
> same subject:
> "To quote from "Sailing Small", "we decided that the cabin seemed 
> roomier in the boats with a semi-enclosed head. We chose a portable 
> toilet because it was simpler than a marine head. While pumpouts are 
> widely available on the Chesapeake, there is always the chance we 
> might want to trailer to places where pumpouts are unavailable. The 
> portable toilet is easy enough to bring home to clean and we don't 
> have to bother with fixing head problems at the marina."
> The more time we spend a marina with big boats, the happier I am with 
> the portable toilet. People see to be always fixing head problems. We 
> don't have any. Most of the time we just bring the head home to empty 
> it. It takes only a minute or two to empty it and give it a good 
> rinse. If we are out cruising, we generally stop every second or 
> third day to stay at a marina, get a shower and empty the head. If we 
> plan to be out longer, we do have an extra bottom with the holding 
> tank for our portable toilet. It doubles the length of time we can be
> out."
> 
> 
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> 
> At 09:01 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote:
>>Joe,
>>
>>  I think if the list were polled the ladies would opt for the head 
>> & the guys would be happy with a bucket.
>>
>>  I have had both types of devices, and just from aesthetics (smell, 
>> comfort), the marine head wins hands down. Hauling a full porta 
>> pottie off the boat & to wherever the dump station is (far away 
>> from the dock, you can bet!) and the actual dumping are unpleasant 
>> affairs. If you pump out after each trip & don't leave the holding 
>> tank contents to ferment you won't have any odors.
>>
>>  The marine head will need to be rebuilt (or replaced ..every 5 - 
>> or so years years)...the Jabsco heads are considered 'disposable' 
>> in the industry. I just replaced the one in my boat & it was not
>> difficult.
>>
>>  For more info, check out Peggie Hall "The Head Mistress," the 
>> undisputed expert in marine sanitation on www.sailboatowners.com. 
>> Also, Google  her for info on her extensive background. If you have 
>> any specific questions, esp about regs on overboard discharge, just 
>> email her. She will give you the straight poop.Tell her elle sent ya.
>>
>>  elle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Joe,
>>I have a little, ahem, experience with these things so let me chime in...
>>
>>I had a marine head as a prerequisite from the start and am glad 
>>that I have one. My wife is especially glad since she uses it more 
>>than me. But I am also glad that I don't have to empty a portapotti. 
>>I had Stan put in the Y-valve and macerator pump and it is 
>>great-especially since the holding tank is so small and pump-out 
>>facilities are usually far apart. If you plan to overnight, cruise, 
>>weekend or otherwise stay on your boat I would highly recommend the 
>>marine head and Y-valve system. One thing that I would change is to 
>>have GB give you easy access to the thru hull for the macerator 
>>discharge because to access mine is extremely difficult - I have to 
>>remove the battery and battery box and it is not easily done. Have 
>>them cut you an access hole or some way to see it. I don't like 
>>having thru hulls that I cannot see and cannot access and this is 
>>the only one (out of 4) that is inaccesible.
>>
>>As to the legality on inland lakes - it is true that there are some 
>>issues depending on the state. I was told that a Y-valve is illegal. 
>>Since then I have researched it more and talked to another DNR 
>>person and I believe that what is illegal is having a Y-valve that 
>>allows you to bypass the holding tank and go directly overboard. The 
>>way mine is installed is preferable in that all waste goes to the 
>>holding tank and then there is deck discharge (pump-out) or bottom 
>>discharge through the Y-valve. If that Y-valve is kept locked I 
>>believe it is OK-at least it was in GA with the DNR guy that I spoke with.
>>
>>The downside to marine heads is the complication compared to a 
>>portapotti. I had to rebuild mine last year (gaskets wear out) but 
>>it was easy and inexpensive and will probably last another 10 years.
>>
>>Bob K
>>Yankee Clipper
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:12:16 -0400> From: 
>> joe.babb at comcast.net> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: 
>> [Rhodes22-list] Potty question> > Hello All,> Sharon and I are 
>> looking forward to getting a recycled Rhodes next > spring. We've 
>> indicated to Stan that we'd like to have the marine head > and 
>> holding tank and macerator. Our only experience with potties on > 
>> boats is with our portable potty on our 16 foot open fishing boat. 
>> It > is really a plastic bucket with a toilet-like seat on it, 
>> enclosed in > another plastic container. We can usually find a 
>> secluded cove or else > use a privacy curtain hung from our bimini 
>> top when we need to use the > potty. The first person to use it is 
>> the lucky one. The second person > is greeted by a wet seat from 
>> condensation and also by the sight and > smell from earlier use.> 
>> Most of our sailing will be on area lakes in East Tennessee. But 
>> at > least once and maybe twice a year we'll be able to do some 
>> coastal > cruising for a week at
>>  a
>>  time.> Could some of you share your opinions on pros and cons of 
>> portable > potties versus marine heads?> Thanks and Best Regards,> 
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