[Rhodes22-list] Tom's hull leak and Mike W's reply
Tootle
ekroposki at charter.net
Wed Aug 6 18:38:34 EDT 2008
Tom and Mike:
If the pendant hose was the initial source, wouldn't the water have been
noticed last time boat was in water? Maybe not, so was it the source of
water that froze and ripped open the crack that is now draining water?
If there is a hole fairly strait thru then the epoxy fix might be easiest.
The boat I saw was much newer, and the hole was pencil sized, smaller than
my pinky which I tried to stop the leak with. Since this a much older boat
and did not leak in the past that we know of, I lean toward a recent cause
of leak.
I agree before any fix, find the inside part of the leak. That will give us
much more information. The water might be coming from somewhere else and
the freezing caused the crack which is allowing the water to escape.
The one thing that I will say is that I expect the boat will be fixed and
sailed again.
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
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Ed,
Good points. See comments in text.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:26
PM
>
> Tom:
>
> Here is my assessment.
>
> 1. You local guy who commented that it was caused by freezing may be
> correct. But I am not immediately convinced that is the primary cause.
I agree. Ice fractures are usually slower leaks.
>
> 2. Any comments posted by Lou Rosenberg should be taken most seriously
> because of his expertise.
Yes, Lou has first hand knowledge, although the most recent hull
failure was
probably due to a yard or PO who attempted to jack up hull by using
a bottle
jack under the area just forward of the centerboard keel. Lou found
a curious
round crack (just like the top of a bottle jack) in the 'glass.
>
> 3. The location indicates to me it is at the leading edge of the
> centerboard well. The centerboard well is made separately from the hull
> and
> is then joined leaving the potential for a seam at the place where you
> have
> the leak. I think that a hard strike while sailing, retreiving or other
> unnatural act caused a crack at the seam. The crack may not have leaked
> thru until a freeze expanded it.
>
I cannot agree or disagree without better observation of the source
of the
leak. I think that the centerboard truck / fin keel is pretty
sturdy, at least it
was in the early '80s boats.
> My opinion is that the leak is at a defined location and can be fixed by
> forcing epoxy into the crack. It would help to find the place in the
> bilge
> where the water is coming in. That would be the best place to inject slow
> setting epoxy into the crack to get it into all nooks and crannies.
>
I would rather find and fix the real problem. Quick fixes usually
show
up over and over. If there is a structural problem, it should be
repaired
using newly laid cloth and resin, not just filling of a hole, unless
the hole
is small and can essentially be "plugged" with the epoxy.
> I would add that I have seen such a leak at that location before and that
> is
> how it was mended.
>
Maybe this is the same boat!!
> However, I do not pretend to be the oracle of all knowledge and do get and
> evaluate all opinions.
None of us are. That's why there are 3 opinions as to the best
method of
repair for every pair of us on the list.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
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> Attachment:
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>
> Ed,
> That's warm Chesapeake Bay water. Photo was taken yesterday. Came in
> fairly quickly, and was above the cabin floor in less than 10 minutes. We
> were still at the ramp. Boat was dry prior to launch.
> Tom
>
>
>
> Tom:
>
> About the picture that you posted. Is that water draining or ice? Was
> there water in the bilge? Did you look under the floor boards in the
> cabin?
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> Addendum - definition:
> confabulate
> 1. To talk casually; chat; schmooze
> 2. Psychology - To fill in gaps in one's memory with fabrications that one
> believes to be facts.
>
>
>
>
> The boat is at Casa Rio Marina in Mayo, Maryland, just down the road from
> my marina where I launched. I was referred there by an instructor from a
> local sailing school. They sounded familiar with Rhodes, and will do the
> repair. Should I trust them to know this? I thought about taking it to
> Stan, but the trip would cost almost as much as the work.
> Tom
>
>
>
> Miracleboat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just finished major repairs to my hull. I have an '81Rhodes. My
>> only advice would to be very aggressive in seeing the cement under
>> the head area. My delamination was under there and I was already on
>> stands when I took up my flooring job to take a closer look at the
>> cement which is used for ballast in the forward belly of the boat,
>> just aft of the foam.
>>
>> My leak came all the way back through the cement and into the bilge
>> when I tried to launch last year. I was already in the process of
>> stripping off all the gelcoat
>> and applied 10+layers of West System epoxy with Barrier Coating.
>>
>>
>> good luck
>> Lou Rosenberg
>> s/v Miracles
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>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Tom Hogarty wrote:
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>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18858215/Rhodes22%2Bleaking%2Bhull%
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>>> Finally launched, but leaked, and trailered to repair. Appeared to
>>> fellows
>>> in the marine shop to be winter damage from freezing water. It was
>>> a really
>>> nasty winter in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, from where it was shipped.
>>> We are
>>> undaunted and getting good at working with the mast, down much
>>> faster than
>>> up. Ours is a 1982 model.
>>> Tom Hogarty
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