[Rhodes22-list] bill?

Wed Dec 3 22:04:08 EST 2008

Bill,

You gotta admit, history is being made.  Here's a review of Presidential limos.

http://www.jibjab.com/view/258672

Brad

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I like to think I'm in the "what's best for my country" camp, and
> against the hypocrisy camp.
>
> George Bush got into office by saying one thing and doing another.  I
> opposed that.
>
> Obama got into office the same way.  I oppose that, too.
>
> Both men are inexperienced, relying on the knowledge of those
> surrounding them.  It's a bad formula.  The other people in the room
> won't agree on many things.  The least experienced person winds up
> making the decision on a "gut feel".
>
> Both Bush and Obama were selected by political machines as the electable
> face of unelectable policies.
>
> It didn't work well for the Republicans.  It's not going to work well
> for the Democrats, either.
>
> As you well know, we've got really really big problems.  Things will
> probably never go back to where they were.  Our country's position is
> likely to deteriorate, along with the position of most individuals.
> There are smarter moves, and dumber moves.  Moves that will leave us
> better off, and moves that will leave us worse off.
>
> The Democrats are settling scores--they are not working for the common good.
>
> As you know, I am voting against my pocketbook.  The Democrat's policies
> benefit me.  If I lose, I win.  But, at least I can live with myself,
> having tried to work for what I believe is right.
>
> Maybe if enough people speak up early enough we can stop throwing our
> money into a bottomless pit, and start actually working our way out.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
>
> michael meltzer wrote:
>> Bill I am confused, I will admit it does not take much more me to be in that conduction but.....
>>
>> For the most part you have been in the democratic camp, what happened? It seems that "O" has you more than a little pissed off.....
>>
>> -mjm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:01 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>
>> David Brooks!
>>
>> One of the neo-cons who got just about everything wrong for the past 8
>> years!
>>
>> Ben, why didn't you quote this from a more recent column:
>>
>> "Barack Obama and his team should put into action a foreign policy
>> doctrine that builds on some of the ideas developed during George W.
>> Bush's term."
>>
>> This isn't a football game, and it doesn't matter who you "root" for.
>>
>> This country is proceeding on an incoherent course which most ordinary
>> Americans can see can't possibly work.
>>
>> The "Bailout" is already a fiasco -- and make no mistake, it's a
>> Democrat fiasco.
>>
>> Bailing out auto unions is a payoff, plain and simple.
>>
>> Citibank paid $400 Million to call the new Mets stadium "Citi Field" --
>> and now the taxpayers are giving them their money back--BRILLIANT!
>>
>> Obama is following exactly the same course Herbert Hoover followed after
>> the stock market crash.  Public works projects.  Rooting for the home team.
>>
>> It didn't work then, and it won't work now.
>>
>> Maybe, just maybe, there's a better way.  Obama was elected to bring
>> change, not more of the same, and it's never too early to notice the
>> emperor has no clothes on.
>>
>> Listening to David Brooks is not likely to be the better way, he's just
>> another "well-educated" dope.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>
>>> Folks;
>>>
>>> Mr Effros opines that "once again the country has decided to make the
>>> dumbest person in the room the decider".  I agree with Mr. Brooks of the
>>> NYTimes who wrote recently:
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "November 21, 2008
>>> Op-Ed Columnist
>>> The Insider's Crusade
>>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>> Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia, Harvard Law)
>>> will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton, Harvard Law),
>>> looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand beaming,
>>> including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim Steinberg
>>> (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).
>>>
>>> The domestic policy team will be there, too, including Jason Furman
>>> (Harvard, Harvard Ph.D.), Austan Goolsbee (Yale, M.I.T. Ph.D.), Blair Levin
>>> (Yale, Yale Law), Peter Orszag (Princeton, London School of Economics Ph.D.)
>>> and, of course, the White House Counsel Greg Craig (Harvard, Yale Law).
>>>
>>> This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or at least
>>> that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even more than
>>> past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by those who
>>> graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy attacks the
>>> United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next four
>>> years, we're screwed.
>>>
>>> Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into focus. Its
>>> members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover them,
>>> three times if you include the columnists. They typically served in the
>>> Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to the comforts
>>> of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman Sachs,
>>> Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them send their
>>> kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in D.C., that
>>> they'll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool line.
>>>
>>> And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated Achievatrons (not to
>>> mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by highly
>>> trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the Obama
>>> transition.
>>>
>>> The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is testimony
>>> to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic
>>> administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks approved by
>>> the favored interest groups. They're thinking holistically — there's a nice
>>> balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They're also thinking
>>> strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute
>>> notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health and Human
>>> Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill Clinton
>>> did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.
>>>
>>> Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more precise,
>>> they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.
>>>
>>> Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion that you
>>> need inexperienced "fresh faces" to change things. After all, it was L.B.J.
>>> who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young, Obama is
>>> not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend upon him
>>> for their well-being.
>>>
>>> As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive than any
>>> other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything or even
>>> most things, but a few things are indisputably true.
>>>
>>> First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by evidence.
>>> Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by Republicans and
>>> Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.
>>>
>>> Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts have a
>>> high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder, despite the
>>> business over the Marc Rich pardon.
>>>
>>> Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he means to
>>> live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep his
>>> committee chairmanship.
>>>
>>> Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman and
>>> Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton at State is
>>> problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband. But, as she
>>> has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are hardheaded and
>>> pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests complemented by
>>> Samantha Power's set of interests at the U.N.)
>>>
>>> Finally, there are many people on this team with practical creativity. Any
>>> think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to find people
>>> who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day by day to
>>> advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during the
>>> campaign, is the best I've ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel also has this
>>> capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.
>>>
>>> Believe me, I'm trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria now
>>> sweeping the coastal haute bourgeoisie. But the personnel decisions have
>>> been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring to
>>> anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would suffer
>>> self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He's off to a start that
>>> nearly justifies the hype."
>>>
>>> Copyright 2008 New York Times
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't remember writing off Presdent GW Bush early.  In fact there was
>>> great hope he could be the compassionate conservative, but he ran off the
>>> rails in ways we have already discussed. We're in a mess all right, but if
>>> it is possible to use our brains to get out of it, then Obama has surely
>>> recruited the best the most intelligent people in the country to get down to
>>> business.
>>>
>>> Remember David Brooks is well known and accepted as a conservative
>>> Republican by all reasonable comentators.  I'm going to withhold judgment
>>> and give Mr Obama his fair chance at tackling the issues, and I encourage
>>> everyone to do the same.
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Save me some room in the storm shelter (we hit water when we dig down
>>>> here).
>>>> I'll bring my share of the plastic sheeting and duct tape!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 15:30
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> We didn't have to wait for Bush to get into the White House to write him
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> They both ran as "outsiders" and "agents of change" who were going to
>>>> change Washington "business as usual".
>>>>
>>>> But what do we see?  Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rahm Emanuel, Robert Gates,
>>>> Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden--same people, different day.
>>>>
>>>> The Democrats are awarding the "spoils" to the people who elected them:
>>>> Lawyers; Wall Street; Organized Labor; Big Farmers.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, the country is spiraling downward, the Democrats will have to
>>>> go to continuous feed web presses or larger denominations to print the
>>>> money fast enough, the "global warming" opposition will be chucked under
>>>> the bus as the "public works projects" start to gear up.  The rest of
>>>> the world has its own problems -- they're not going to bail us out this
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> And what about Afghanistan?  You think Vietnam was tough terrain?  Not
>>>> to mention the fact that Afghanistan is twice the size of all of
>>>> Vietnam.  How many soldiers did we have in South Vietnam when you were
>>>> there?  How many do you think it will take to lose in Afghanistan?
>>>>
>>>> There is zero evidence that this guy is a smart man.  This country has
>>>> again made the dumbest person in the room "the decider".  I really
>>>> didn't think people would make that same mistake again, but, here we are!
>>>>
>>>> Professional politicians continue to run this country.  They are running
>>>> it into the ground.  We should let the banks go bankrupt; only
>>>> profitable automobile companies will survive; if people overpaid for
>>>> their homes they should give them up; if people don't have jobs they
>>>> should stop going to the mall; if we think we've got to fight wars all
>>>> over the place, lets draft the soldiers; building dams and roads will
>>>> not make the earth greener; public works projects don't end depressions.
>>>>
>>>> We haven't heard one good idea from this guy.  When push comes to shove,
>>>> he always reneges.   And you think we should wait for 4 years before we
>>>> call him on it?
>>>>
>>>> Not me.  We're heading for tough times, and everybody is to blame.  But
>>>> blaming won't help.  Burning food, bailing out ridiculous union
>>>> contracts, letting people live in homes they can't afford, printing more
>>>> money, paying off debts with worthless paper -- will only make things
>>>> worse.  I'll speak up now.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>> Lighten up. Your blood vessels in your head are about to explode. Obama
>>>>> isn't even in the white house yet and you are writing him off already.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, he
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> certainly has his hands full, cleaning up the mess from the last eight
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> years,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> but he's a smart man and will get the job done. Cut him a little slack.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> In
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> four years if he hasn't done a good job, then you can replace him. Until
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> then,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lighten up Francis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:17:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> bill at effros.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad  it didn't work...she was unable to get out the Republican vote
>>>>> while  Obama's field offices brought out the Democrats en masse...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's less  than a month later, and the Democrats don't seem to have a
>>>>> clue that  they've got a real problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you notice that China has announced  they aren't going to bail us out
>>>>> this time?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad  Haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The report of my death is greatly exaggerated" - Mark  Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, Sarah came down to Georgia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Chambliss: Palin  'allowed us to peak'
>>>>>> By: Andy Barr
>>>>>> December 3, 2008 11:29 AM  EST
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fresh off his runoff victory Tuesday night, Georgia  Republican Sen.
>>>>>> Saxby Chambliss credited Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with  firing up his
>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I can't overstate the impact she  had down here," Chambliss said
>>>>>> during an interview Wednesday morning  on Fox News.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "When she walks in a room, folks just explode,"  he added. "And they
>>>>>> really did pack the house everywhere we went.  She's a dynamic lady, a
>>>>>> great administrator, and I think she's got a  great future in the
>>>>>> Republican Party."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chambliss said  that after watching her campaign on his behalf at
>>>>>> several events  Monday, he does not see her star status diminishing
>>>>>> within the  party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Republican also thanked John McCain and the other  big name
>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia, but said Palin made the  biggest
>>>>>> impact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We had John McCain and Mike Huckabee  and Gov. Romney and Rudy
>>>>>> Giuliani, but Sarah Palin came in on the last  day, did a fly-around
>>>>>> and, man, she was dynamite," he said. "We packed  the houses everywhere
>>>>>> we went. And it really did allow us to peak and  get our base fired
>>>>>> up."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as Chambliss heaped praise  on Palin and other big-ticket
>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia on his  behalf, he questioned why
>>>>>> President-elect Barack Obama would not use  his star power to aid his
>>>>>> Democratic opponent Jim  Martin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I have no idea why he didn't come down," Chambliss  said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "His people were here. His organization was here," he  added. "They
>>>>>> really did a good job in the general election of turning  out people.
>>>>>> And whatever their game plan was this time, if he had been  here, I
>>>>>> have no idea whether it would have worked  better."
>>>>>>
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