[Rhodes22-list] bill?
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Dec 4 13:12:25 EST 2008
Waitaminute
If Brad laughing at a tasteless joke (in my opinion, it was), like that
makes him appear to come off as a bigot; what does stupid statements
like "mooselini" about Palin, or comments about ME being from
"ya'llsville" make THOSE people.
The double-standards of the left are simply amazing.
Face it, bigotry is bigotry, whether it's about race or what part of the
country a person is from.
Robert Skinner wrote:
> Obama is president-elect, not a pimp.
>
> Brad - I'm sure that you don't want to
> come off as a bigot - I have seen no
> evidence of that to date - but this is
> uncomfortably close to the line between
> humor and bad taste.
>
> /Robert, ME
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You gotta admit, history is being made. Here's a review of Presidential limos.
>>
>> http://www.jibjab.com/view/258672
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I like to think I'm in the "what's best for my country" camp, and
>>> against the hypocrisy camp.
>>>
>>> George Bush got into office by saying one thing and doing another. I
>>> opposed that.
>>>
>>> Obama got into office the same way. I oppose that, too.
>>>
>>> Both men are inexperienced, relying on the knowledge of those
>>> surrounding them. It's a bad formula. The other people in the room
>>> won't agree on many things. The least experienced person winds up
>>> making the decision on a "gut feel".
>>>
>>> Both Bush and Obama were selected by political machines as the electable
>>> face of unelectable policies.
>>>
>>> It didn't work well for the Republicans. It's not going to work well
>>> for the Democrats, either.
>>>
>>> As you well know, we've got really really big problems. Things will
>>> probably never go back to where they were. Our country's position is
>>> likely to deteriorate, along with the position of most individuals.
>>> There are smarter moves, and dumber moves. Moves that will leave us
>>> better off, and moves that will leave us worse off.
>>>
>>> The Democrats are settling scores--they are not working for the common good.
>>>
>>> As you know, I am voting against my pocketbook. The Democrat's policies
>>> benefit me. If I lose, I win. But, at least I can live with myself,
>>> having tried to work for what I believe is right.
>>>
>>> Maybe if enough people speak up early enough we can stop throwing our
>>> money into a bottomless pit, and start actually working our way out.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill I am confused, I will admit it does not take much more me to be in that conduction but.....
>>>>
>>>> For the most part you have been in the democratic camp, what happened? It seems that "O" has you more than a little pissed off.....
>>>>
>>>> -mjm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:01 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>
>>>> David Brooks!
>>>>
>>>> One of the neo-cons who got just about everything wrong for the past 8
>>>> years!
>>>>
>>>> Ben, why didn't you quote this from a more recent column:
>>>>
>>>> "Barack Obama and his team should put into action a foreign policy
>>>> doctrine that builds on some of the ideas developed during George W.
>>>> Bush's term."
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a football game, and it doesn't matter who you "root" for.
>>>>
>>>> This country is proceeding on an incoherent course which most ordinary
>>>> Americans can see can't possibly work.
>>>>
>>>> The "Bailout" is already a fiasco -- and make no mistake, it's a
>>>> Democrat fiasco.
>>>>
>>>> Bailing out auto unions is a payoff, plain and simple.
>>>>
>>>> Citibank paid $400 Million to call the new Mets stadium "Citi Field" --
>>>> and now the taxpayers are giving them their money back--BRILLIANT!
>>>>
>>>> Obama is following exactly the same course Herbert Hoover followed after
>>>> the stock market crash. Public works projects. Rooting for the home team.
>>>>
>>>> It didn't work then, and it won't work now.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, just maybe, there's a better way. Obama was elected to bring
>>>> change, not more of the same, and it's never too early to notice the
>>>> emperor has no clothes on.
>>>>
>>>> Listening to David Brooks is not likely to be the better way, he's just
>>>> another "well-educated" dope.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Folks;
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Effros opines that "once again the country has decided to make the
>>>>> dumbest person in the room the decider". I agree with Mr. Brooks of the
>>>>> NYTimes who wrote recently:
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "November 21, 2008
>>>>> Op-Ed Columnist
>>>>> The Insider's Crusade
>>>>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>>>> Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia, Harvard Law)
>>>>> will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton, Harvard Law),
>>>>> looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand beaming,
>>>>> including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim Steinberg
>>>>> (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).
>>>>>
>>>>> The domestic policy team will be there, too, including Jason Furman
>>>>> (Harvard, Harvard Ph.D.), Austan Goolsbee (Yale, M.I.T. Ph.D.), Blair Levin
>>>>> (Yale, Yale Law), Peter Orszag (Princeton, London School of Economics Ph.D.)
>>>>> and, of course, the White House Counsel Greg Craig (Harvard, Yale Law).
>>>>>
>>>>> This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or at least
>>>>> that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even more than
>>>>> past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by those who
>>>>> graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy attacks the
>>>>> United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next four
>>>>> years, we're screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into focus. Its
>>>>> members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover them,
>>>>> three times if you include the columnists. They typically served in the
>>>>> Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to the comforts
>>>>> of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman Sachs,
>>>>> Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them send their
>>>>> kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in D.C., that
>>>>> they'll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool line.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated Achievatrons (not to
>>>>> mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by highly
>>>>> trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the Obama
>>>>> transition.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is testimony
>>>>> to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic
>>>>> administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks approved by
>>>>> the favored interest groups. They're thinking holistically — there's a nice
>>>>> balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They're also thinking
>>>>> strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute
>>>>> notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health and Human
>>>>> Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill Clinton
>>>>> did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more precise,
>>>>> they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion that you
>>>>> need inexperienced "fresh faces" to change things. After all, it was L.B.J.
>>>>> who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young, Obama is
>>>>> not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend upon him
>>>>> for their well-being.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive than any
>>>>> other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything or even
>>>>> most things, but a few things are indisputably true.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by evidence.
>>>>> Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by Republicans and
>>>>> Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts have a
>>>>> high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder, despite the
>>>>> business over the Marc Rich pardon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he means to
>>>>> live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep his
>>>>> committee chairmanship.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman and
>>>>> Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton at State is
>>>>> problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband. But, as she
>>>>> has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are hardheaded and
>>>>> pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests complemented by
>>>>> Samantha Power's set of interests at the U.N.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, there are many people on this team with practical creativity. Any
>>>>> think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to find people
>>>>> who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day by day to
>>>>> advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during the
>>>>> campaign, is the best I've ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel also has this
>>>>> capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.
>>>>>
>>>>> Believe me, I'm trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria now
>>>>> sweeping the coastal haute bourgeoisie. But the personnel decisions have
>>>>> been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring to
>>>>> anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would suffer
>>>>> self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He's off to a start that
>>>>> nearly justifies the hype."
>>>>>
>>>>> Copyright 2008 New York Times
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't remember writing off Presdent GW Bush early. In fact there was
>>>>> great hope he could be the compassionate conservative, but he ran off the
>>>>> rails in ways we have already discussed. We're in a mess all right, but if
>>>>> it is possible to use our brains to get out of it, then Obama has surely
>>>>> recruited the best the most intelligent people in the country to get down to
>>>>> business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember David Brooks is well known and accepted as a conservative
>>>>> Republican by all reasonable comentators. I'm going to withhold judgment
>>>>> and give Mr Obama his fair chance at tackling the issues, and I encourage
>>>>> everyone to do the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Save me some room in the storm shelter (we hit water when we dig down
>>>>>> here).
>>>>>> I'll bring my share of the plastic sheeting and duct tape!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 15:30
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We didn't have to wait for Bush to get into the White House to write him
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They both ran as "outsiders" and "agents of change" who were going to
>>>>>> change Washington "business as usual".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But what do we see? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rahm Emanuel, Robert Gates,
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden--same people, different day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Democrats are awarding the "spoils" to the people who elected them:
>>>>>> Lawyers; Wall Street; Organized Labor; Big Farmers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, the country is spiraling downward, the Democrats will have to
>>>>>> go to continuous feed web presses or larger denominations to print the
>>>>>> money fast enough, the "global warming" opposition will be chucked under
>>>>>> the bus as the "public works projects" start to gear up. The rest of
>>>>>> the world has its own problems -- they're not going to bail us out this
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what about Afghanistan? You think Vietnam was tough terrain? Not
>>>>>> to mention the fact that Afghanistan is twice the size of all of
>>>>>> Vietnam. How many soldiers did we have in South Vietnam when you were
>>>>>> there? How many do you think it will take to lose in Afghanistan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is zero evidence that this guy is a smart man. This country has
>>>>>> again made the dumbest person in the room "the decider". I really
>>>>>> didn't think people would make that same mistake again, but, here we are!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professional politicians continue to run this country. They are running
>>>>>> it into the ground. We should let the banks go bankrupt; only
>>>>>> profitable automobile companies will survive; if people overpaid for
>>>>>> their homes they should give them up; if people don't have jobs they
>>>>>> should stop going to the mall; if we think we've got to fight wars all
>>>>>> over the place, lets draft the soldiers; building dams and roads will
>>>>>> not make the earth greener; public works projects don't end depressions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We haven't heard one good idea from this guy. When push comes to shove,
>>>>>> he always reneges. And you think we should wait for 4 years before we
>>>>>> call him on it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not me. We're heading for tough times, and everybody is to blame. But
>>>>>> blaming won't help. Burning food, bailing out ridiculous union
>>>>>> contracts, letting people live in homes they can't afford, printing more
>>>>>> money, paying off debts with worthless paper -- will only make things
>>>>>> worse. I'll speak up now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>> Lighten up. Your blood vessels in your head are about to explode. Obama
>>>>>>> isn't even in the white house yet and you are writing him off already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> certainly has his hands full, cleaning up the mess from the last eight
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but he's a smart man and will get the job done. Cut him a little slack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> four years if he hasn't done a good job, then you can replace him. Until
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lighten up Francis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:17:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>> bill at effros.com writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too bad it didn't work...she was unable to get out the Republican vote
>>>>>>> while Obama's field offices brought out the Democrats en masse...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's less than a month later, and the Democrats don't seem to have a
>>>>>>> clue that they've got a real problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you notice that China has announced they aren't going to bail us out
>>>>>>> this time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The report of my death is greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, Sarah came down to Georgia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chambliss: Palin 'allowed us to peak'
>>>>>>>> By: Andy Barr
>>>>>>>> December 3, 2008 11:29 AM EST
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fresh off his runoff victory Tuesday night, Georgia Republican Sen.
>>>>>>>> Saxby Chambliss credited Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with firing up his
>>>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I can't overstate the impact she had down here," Chambliss said
>>>>>>>> during an interview Wednesday morning on Fox News.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "When she walks in a room, folks just explode," he added. "And they
>>>>>>>> really did pack the house everywhere we went. She's a dynamic lady, a
>>>>>>>> great administrator, and I think she's got a great future in the
>>>>>>>> Republican Party."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chambliss said that after watching her campaign on his behalf at
>>>>>>>> several events Monday, he does not see her star status diminishing
>>>>>>>> within the party.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Republican also thanked John McCain and the other big name
>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia, but said Palin made the biggest
>>>>>>>> impact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We had John McCain and Mike Huckabee and Gov. Romney and Rudy
>>>>>>>> Giuliani, but Sarah Palin came in on the last day, did a fly-around
>>>>>>>> and, man, she was dynamite," he said. "We packed the houses everywhere
>>>>>>>> we went. And it really did allow us to peak and get our base fired
>>>>>>>> up."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as Chambliss heaped praise on Palin and other big-ticket
>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia on his behalf, he questioned why
>>>>>>>> President-elect Barack Obama would not use his star power to aid his
>>>>>>>> Democratic opponent Jim Martin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I have no idea why he didn't come down," Chambliss said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "His people were here. His organization was here," he added. "They
>>>>>>>> really did a good job in the general election of turning out people.
>>>>>>>> And whatever their game plan was this time, if he had been here, I
>>>>>>>> have no idea whether it would have worked better."
>>>>>>>>
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