[Rhodes22-list] Sail Purchase

[Mary Lou Troy]

When we had our 175 reconditioned by Sailcare and a new luff tape 
added (one that would be compatible with the Schaeffer Snap-Furl that 
we were buying to replace the GBI furler), they added padding to the 
luff and replaced the sunbrella UV cover with a Titanium Dioxide 
coated dacron sailcloth UV cover. The lighter weight UV protection 
has made a big difference in the handling characteristics of the 
sail. It was explained to us that this material would not last as 
long as the Sunbrella. It is also only available in white and seems 
to attract dirt (and maybe mildew - haven't decided yet)  like a 
magnet. Even the blue sheets wrapped around it when furled leave 
blueish marks. However it is a significant improvement to our ability 
to use the sail in light air. We didn't sail much this year and we 
never did get the UPS out (it's a fun sail but it does take time to 
set it up) but we did marvel each time we sailed in light air that 
the 175 seemed a completely different sail. The jury is still out on 
the luff padding and even the new furler but the lighter UV material 
is a winner (even if it looks grungy).

If I had to replace the sail today, I am unsure whether I would go 
with another 175. I do love it on those 4 to 7 knot breeze days and 
we get just enough of them that I might be nudged in that direction.

Hopefully we'll get more sailing in next season and I'll have a more 
informed opinion on the new furler and the luff padding.

My apologies to the list if this is a duplicate. I sent it a while 
back and it never came through.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD





At 11:12 AM 12/4/2008, you wrote:
>David,
>
>    Thanks for your comments.  I have the old tube-style furler without a
>luff groove.  I agree that
>the GBI design is pretty bullet proof.  I also had a CDI furler on my
>C-22 which worked pretty
>well, although changing sails was not as easy as advertised.  It is also
>difficult to get luff tension
>with the CDI furler.  Overall the advantage of being able to change
>sails with the CDI drove
>me to decide to change now that I need a new genoa.
>
>I did get a quote from Stan on a 175, and I am waiting for his response
>on the 155.  I don't know
>if the new 175 with foam will alleviate the problems with sail shape on
>the 175 completely. I am
>now leaning toward the 155 - although with just the right wind
>conditions the 175 does drive
>the boat very well.
>
>Ron
>
>David Culp wrote:
> > Ron:
> >
> > I've been asking myself the same type of questions for the last 3 years.  I
> > have the 175 on an old GBI furler which has a groove for a luff tape.  I
> > just ordered and received a brand new battened IMF main from GBI and during
> > the discussions with Stan, he was telling me that some of the old GBI
> > furlers were of the "sleeve" variety where the luff of the jib just fits
> > down over the foil and there is no groove.  I've never seen one of these on
> > any boat, but I think I would spend the money to upgrade from that.  On the
> > other hand, I like the GBI furler that I have now because it is simple and
> > fairly bullet-proof.  I just replaced the forestay cable on it which was
> > easy to do and it should go for some more years.  I don't know which you
> > have.
> >
> > The 175 is useful at times, but I am getting very close to needing to
> > replace mine and because I single-hand so much, I think I am going to
> > replace mine with a 155 with a tape which will fit my GBI furler and a foam
> > tape for sail shape.  I have found it very useful to sheet in between the
> > shrouds when the wind gets up, but the sail shape is terrible on the 175 in
> > this situation.  Where I live; when there is light or no wind, it 
> is too hot
> > to sail anyway, so I don't think I'll miss it.  Stan was also telling me
> > that GBI usually orders sails around the first of the year, so 
> this might be
> > a good time to talk to him about ordering one for you.  I am going to pull
> > my boat in a couple of weeks and see what I am looking at as far as paint
> > and new running rigging. etc.  If I have any money left in this year's
> > budget, I may get him to order me a 155 with a foam tape.  I think most of
> > the sailors on the list who have the 155 are hank ons and not furlers.  I
> > think they are all very happy with its performance but maybe someone with a
> > furled 155 will post to the list and talk about it.  I will be 
> interested to
> > hear what you decide to do and the costs involved.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David Culp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:10:06 -0600
> > From: Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Purchase
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> > Last summer the UV cover ripped away from my old 175 genoa.  Having the
> > older
> > GBI furler I could not change the sail without lowering the mast, which
> > motivated
> > me to live with it through the season.  My plan is to replace the GBI
> > furler with
> > the CDI furler this winter.
> >
> > My question is which new genoa I should buy.  The old 175 was heavy and
> > did not
> > perform well in light winds.  It lost a lot of shape when furled.
> > I bought a UPS sail a few years ago and that works for lighter wind days.
> > I also have a C-22 110 (? I am not really sure of this sail) with
> > a luff rope for the CDI so I can use that for high wind days although,
> > frankly I probably would not bother to change sails unless really 
> necessary.
> >
> > The question is whether I should go back to the 175 or go to a 155 ?
> > It seems to me that a 155 would furl more efficiently
> > than the 175, and on days where more sail is needed, I could use the UPS.
> >
> > any thoughts?
> >
> > Ron
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