[Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Tue Dec 30 12:04:59 EST 2008
Ben,
I'm going to respond only because you're the new guy, and you haven't
heard this same discussion dozens of times before.
The only reason this list is still here, and the only reason you have
such a depth of knowledge available to you is because we decided long
ago that none of us would stay on this list if all we did was answer
stupid questions that had been asked and answered dozens of times
previously, that could be quickly found by "newbies" who we knew
wouldn't take the time to do so.
Most of the players who have announced they are going to "take their
ball and go home, never to return" have done so countless times in the
past. And they always return, sooner or later, because if you need to
know something about an R-22, this is the list that survives until such
time as your question comes up, and all the talent inevitably returns here.
This is Stan's list. It is about his boat. It is about his company.
And in many ways, it is about him.
With regard to repentance, or change from our time-honored practices,
why did you not cite what Stan has to say about his own list?
Bill Effros
In case you missed Stan's reply, here it is:
com on guys - grow up - and don't worry about me (I don't have to address
the gals cause they come out already grown up)
I love the List the way it was, the way it is, and the way it is going to be
so get back to y'all being yourself and enjoy.
and when not in the mood (as I often am not), hit delete until you feel good
again. after all, not everyone has the same bedside manner - nor do I
think we would really like it that way - there is something amazingly
healthy about being pissed off at the other guy - so my cousin Leon the
shrink tells me.
ss
Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Ben;
>
> Thanks for the statistical breakdown. I must say it hadn't occurred to me
> that I was the fourth or fifth most frequent poster.
>
> I have also reviewed the posts since Rummy's resignation, especially those
> by Bill, Herb and Brad. I was, quite frankly, shocked at Herb's remarks to
> Elle, and dissappointed that Bill and Brad were so completely unrepentant. I
> believe I have a solution.
>
> If I leave the list it does two things; one, it solves a chunk of the
> "domination" problem with the reduction in volume; and two, it leaves Bill,
> Herb and Brad with nothing to do but agree with each other, which is not as
> much fun as having a debate with someone you disagree with.
>
> So, I'm quitting altogether. There are other ways to get sailing advice.
> Besides, if I ever have a sailing question, Tootle would just tell me "check
> the archives" anyway. (joke)
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>
>> Just for kicks, I did a "group by sender" on my inbox for this list. I
>> don't think I've deleted anything since August, and I have nothing from
>> before that. I did a quick scroll to see how many messages we all send.
>>
>> Herb was just over 900 messages.
>> Brad was somewhere in the 700s.
>> Elle was next (unless I missed someone) in the mid-300s.
>> Ben C. was in the 200s.
>> I either forgot to look for Ed, or forgot how many messages he had.
>> Everyone else that I think of as a frequent poster was around 200 or less.
>>
>>
>> This was a real quick exercise, because my main objective was to handicap
>> upcoming college bowl games, so I'm sure there's someone I missed, but I
>> think the reason we might be losing people is not because of the contents
>> of
>> the posts, it's that the conversation is being dominated.
>>
>> By the way, happy holidays to everyone. I wish you all the best for 09.
>>
>>
>> Ben S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 17:20
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>
>> Elle,
>>
>> I notice that you, and a few others, when actually confronted, don't
>> ante up.
>>
>> What did I do to "throw water on the others"? I posted a reasoned
>> response to a bunch of crap about racism. They don't like it. Too bad.
>> You seem to jump in there anytime someone disagrees with this same sort
>> of nonsense.
>>
>> I'm opinionated. I don't doubt it.
>> I stand by my views, except when I find their wrong for me. Then I
>> change them.
>>
>> However, I don't resort to the silly name calling until it's thrown at
>> me first
>>
>> And, I'm not saying for an instant that I don't "cause a problem".
>> However, in this case I don't see where I did.
>>
>> Bill posted the link. I posted a reasoned response. You apparently,
>> don't like that I did so. Too bad.
>>
>>
>> elle wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Herb,
>>> Another reasoned and thoughtful response from you. You have such a way
>>>
>> with words that shows your nature. You make me laugh...I often have that
>> reaction to .......(don't want to call you names...so fill in your own,
>> folks.)
>>
>>> And you never cause a problem...it's always the other guy.
>>>
>>> Ya wanna mix it up?
>>>
>>> I taught second grade..I can handle you...But don't care to exert the
>>>
>> effort.
>>
>>> Read up to Michael's response a few replies above this one. Take it to
>>>
>> heart...everyone.
>>
>>> elle..
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:50 PM
>>>> Elle,
>>>>
>>>> You know what? Kiss off. I did nothing to "throw
>>>> water" on this. Some
>>>> ass on here (and yes, it was ass-like behavior, if you
>>>> don't like it,
>>>> don't play) pulled his favorite "you're the
>>>> bad guy" routine by bringing
>>>> up the racism tag.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen a lot of BS on here the past few days,
>>>> started to spout off,
>>>> and then thought "nah, why bother". However, if
>>>> someone DOES choose to
>>>> "bother", they should expect a response.
>>>> That's what "discussions" are
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> For those of you that simply want a podium to espouse your
>>>> views
>>>> unchallenged, I submit you're in the wrong playground.
>>>>
>>>> I hate the thought of Rummy leaving. But he's a big
>>>> boy, I suspect he
>>>> knows exactly what he's doing by now. (I also suspect
>>>> he's kinda feeling
>>>> a little embarrassed at over-reacting, I know I would).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> elle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, SH*T.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't a girl have some fun (& feed her heart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> & soul) w/out the playground erupting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Everybody..back in the pool & Herb, Bill & Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> stop throwing water in everyone's faces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And, please...let me have some fun (;^) before I have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> to come back to earth...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Love ya all...please everyone stay around....
>>>>>
>>>>> elle
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> (Lady in Red)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, John Lock
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> List
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, "Robert
>>>> Skinner" <Robert at SquirrelHaven.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:54 PM
>>>>>> At 11:31 AM 12/29/2008 -0500, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Lock and MJM,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As prime movers in setting up and maintaining
>>>>>>> this list, you enjoy positions of authority
>>>>>>> and respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doubtful, but thanks for the plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to see you go, but you should know how this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> works by
>>>>>> now. Most of the traffic is generated by a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> relative few
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> self-important, dick-waving, gas bags and has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> nothing to do
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 or sailing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, we could start banning people and enforcing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> content
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> rules, but
>>>>>> I (for one) don't want to be in THAT hot seat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> filters and the
>>>>>> delete key should be enough to manage the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Nobody
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> forces
>>>>>> anyone to read the crap and the tools for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> bypassing it are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> simple. If you choose to support a position or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> offer an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> opinion, you
>>>>>> KNOW what will happen! It's not a surprise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> any more!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Lock
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>
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>>
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