[Rhodes22-list] Politics: How 'Bout That Bill Effros?

[TN Rhodey]

I agree he is not an idiot but i like very little of his international
policies. I am sure he is a bright guy.

Wally

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:

> Actually, I agree with Wally on this one, to a degree. I think
> President-Elect Obama should remain silent on issues like this, as well
> as other issues. Unfortunately, he's cherry-picking what he's remaining
> silent on. He SHOULD let President Bush finish his term, then take over.
> However, he's not being consistent.
>
> Also, I think Buchanan's underlying message is that not only should
> President-Elect Obama not remain silent on the issue, but that President
> Bush should not.
>
> I'm not a big fan of Buchanan, but I don't think he's an "idiot".
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
> > Bill, I suppose he could say that but shouldn't Bush speak for the US? I
> am
> > not sure if I agree with Pat. Bush's mouth piece has come out in support
> of
> > the action. For Obama to come out against would be counter productive. It
> is
> > obvious you hate O. Your advice seems foolish. I would advise him the
> exact
> > opposite.
> >
> > I think Pat B is an idiot.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Wally,
> >>
> >> Here is what Pat Buchanan has to say on this issue:
> >>
> >> "While the United States must support Israel's right to defend her towns
> >> and to strike bases from which Israelis are being attacked, Obama should
> >> denounce the collective punishment of 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza,
> >> by Israel's cutting off their electricity in the dead of winter and
> >> denying them the food and medicine many need to survive.
> >>
> >> For us to remain silent in the face of this comports neither with our
> >> interests or our values. Israel's policy of withholding from the weak
> >> and innocent of Gaza, women and children, the necessities of life, to
> >> punish the guilty who rule at the point of a gun, is a policy that Obama
> >> should declare the United States will no longer support with tax
> dollars."
> >>
> >> To paraphrase another part of the same article, "Obama can't just sit
> >> mute at the table like the 'dummy' in a game of bridge."
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> TN Rhodey wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bill, What should Obama be doing? Should he fly to Crawford and join
> Bush
> >>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> vacation? Perhaps go Grouse hunting with Dick C.? Heck what should Bush
> >>>
> >> do?
> >>
> >>> The only control we have over Israel is money. They will do as they
> >>>
> >> please.
> >>
> >>> If Hanas attacks they will respond. Rightly so. It would be hard fo use
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> be critical of this considering our attack on Iraq.
> >>>
> >>> I think Israel is itching to fight and if Hamas continues to provoke
> they
> >>> will get pounded even worse. The last Isreali ops in Lebanon did not
> have
> >>> the normal kick ass results.  I think both Hamas and Hezbollah were
> >>> emboldened by the poor Israeli tactics.
> >>>
> >>> I suspect Israel will take care of any nuke plants in Iran long before
> we
> >>> feel the urge.
> >>>
> >>> Do you see it different?
> >>>
> >>> Wally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ed,
> >>>>
> >>>> 150 people who were alive yesterday morning are dead this morning
> >>>> because Israel massively attacked Gaza.  That includes women and
> >>>> children because the Israeli's attacked targets at a time that ensured
> >>>> civilian casualties.
> >>>>
> >>>> They attacked when no one in this country was on the job.  Right now
> we
> >>>> have no President at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Obama is on both sides of this issue--where are you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Effros
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tootle wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bill:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He is not President of USA yet.  You want him stirring the pot like
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Captain
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Rummy?  He said that there is only one President at a time.  Calm
> down,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> enjoy the holidays.  While the liquor stores are still open go get a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> bottle
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> of Mt. Gay Rum.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ed K
> >>>>> addendum from where there is a lot of snow:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Think of yourself as on the threshold of unparalleded sucess.  A
> >>>>>
> >> whole,
> >>
> >>>>> clear, glorious life lies before you.  Achieve! Achieve! - Andrew
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Carnegie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> (borrowed from from the cover of the Pennsylvania Travel Guide.)( I
> >>>>>
> >> would
> >>
> >>>>> have expected some of the native Pennsylvanians on this forum to have
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> quoted
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> that.  Where is Ben C, Frone, John S., et al????)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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