[Rhodes22-list] Politics - chicken

[Herb Parsons]

Stan, believe it or not, much of what you say I agree with (while some I 
still disagree with), but that dodges the original question.

The things you're talking about are NOT caused by the "current 
occupant", with the possible exception of the Iraq war, and even that I 
will take issue on putting it out there as "Bush's war". It would have 
been Clinton's war, had he done HIS job. We should not sign cease-fire 
agreements that we're not willing to enforce. Either surrender, or do 
what we say we're going to do.

stan wrote:
> Wish someone asked me
>
> Got to run so this will be quick:
>
> Stop the world (or at least the US) and take a deep breath
>
> Stop the bleeding - this means the dumbest war we ever got involved in.
>
> Stop terrorism by stopping its funding:  oil and drugs
>
>     stopping drugs is easy - make it legal
>
>     stopping oil is a bit harder since people will say it costs more for 
> alternate energy -  but that misses the point.  The money spent gets spent 
> here so what if it costs more.   In the long run it costs less anyway, since 
> fighting terrorism, as we are prone to try to do it, is a lot more costly 
> than the energy costs differential.
>
>     By alternate energy I mean atomic, coal, ethanol, and a government money 
> sponsored "man on the moon type program" to see if hydrogen and fuel cells 
> have real promise.  Who cares what all this costs as long as that money is 
> spent in the US.    We have so much oil in this country and surrounds we 
> could then be an oil exporter and clean up financially.
>
>     Do away with all corporate taxes - a corporation is not a person and 
> just passes that cost along in a negative manner.  Do away with all taxes of 
> every sort except the income tax and make that simple and progressive.  (Do 
> you know how inefficient having secondary tax collection departments are 
> like tolls and sales taxes)   In fact, at the risk of having Ed hoist the 
> hammer and sickle over my head, I would propose that, since this is a 
> capitalistic country, we put the government in a capitalistic businesses 
> that makes money so we could even do away with the IRS.  What businesses 
> could the US government own:  Oil, maybe transportation, medical products - 
> give it some thought, even those who are blinded by words like socialism can 
> come up with certain industries the government can run and make money on 
> while having congress as the board of directors and the citizens as 
> stockholders and no income taxes as dividends.  Keep one tax,  the 
> inheritance tax (there is no such thing as a death tax) because if you do 
> not you will eventually loose your beloved democracy and end up with a new 
> form of rule by royalty and Brad will have one more things to shed tears 
> over when he hears this new royalty's altered national melody and words.
>
>     Take the money and the time out of campaigning.    Smart rules can do 
> it.  Everytime we feel it can't get more indecent, the following election 
> again ups all antes until only the mob or the few inheritors of our 
> collective wealth will be able to throw their crown into the ring - which by 
> then will be just a tradition anyway.
>
>     Stop patch work cures like solving the current economic view with this 
> plan that will end up giving China tons more of our money.  Take the current 
> handout and do something like sponsor an intermediate energy step like 
> financing one 85% ethanol pump in all stations fanning out from some auto 
> building center so that that company can turn out the same cars in the US 
> that it now sells to Brazil.   It will create more jobs, stop money from 
> leaving the country in oil purchasing, maybe save our 
> about-to-move-into-second place auto industry and, as it catches on (as 
> proven by Brazil), be self expanding - It hardly matters what the project 
> chosen (Huckabee suggested I-95 expansion) - just do it here and spend it 
> here and create jobs here.
>
>     Stop the immigration nonsense.  We need these workers.  I can write a 
> complete paper on this issue.  For now I can tell you that if you get rid of 
> them you will get rid of what little manufacturing is left in this country. 
> I can't believe we are not smart enough to solve this problem in a 
> productive way.
>
>     Wake up to the fact that your body is a holistic machine.  Get the drug 
> company influence off the backs of medical science and start the emphasis on 
> preventative medicine.  In my opinion the reason the folks who try to get a 
> job at GB have trouble using their brain is due to nutrition - they have no 
> idea that what goes into their body is even more important than making the 
> effort to see that they put the right stuff into their car.   Start a 
> preventative medicine program starting with pregnant mothers who smoke 
> (since most of you believe life starts when a sperm finds its mark) and if 
> they refuse, authorize the gun association to kill them so this lobbying 
> group would then have a worthwhile purpose by helping start the beginning of 
> the ending or our endless expansion of our medical welfare costs..
>
>     sorry, just getting started but am off to see the Wizard.
>
> Brad, I know you asked Robert, but this will teach you to give me even a 
> second hand opening.
>
> ss/ec/gbi
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - chicken
>
>
>   
>> Robert,
>>
>> Here's what Herb said, again, "So, how about producing some real concrete
>> facts, or just admitting that it's just your left-wing propaganda".
>>
>> I don't neatly fit the label "right-wing" as Slim would like to believe 
>> nor
>> do I think you fit into a "left-wing" label. What specific things would 
>> you
>> like to see changed and how do you personally wish them to be changed.
>>
>> Please refrain from Obama style, "Change we can believe in", "Hope", and
>> other fluff, non-content positions, and faith-based statements.
>>
>> What specifically do you want the next President to reverse?  Provide
>> detail, please.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2008 9:35 AM, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>       
>>>> ...
>>>> What you REALLY have is a deep resentment that in spite of what you see
>>>> as a dangerous man, you couldn't muster the wherewithall to defeat him.
>>>> So, how about producing some real concrete facts, or just admitting 
>>>> that
>>>> it's just your left-wing propaganda.
>>>>         
>>> Herb -
>>>
>>> Bush has been very happy to risk the country over
>>> and over again in the political equivalent of a
>>> teenager's game of chicken.  Time after time, he
>>> has shown himself willing to destroy our economy
>>> if he doesn't get his way.  Now he is succeeding,
>>> despite some YouTube propaganda.
>>>
>>> What the Democrats have is a collection of
>>> congressmen and senators who decided to put the
>>> country's needs ahead of their own preferences.
>>> In the process, they allowed many things to
>>> become law that are repugnant to a civilized
>>> people.  (Yes, torture is uncivilized!)
>>>
>>> They have witnessed, accepted, and presided over
>>> the trashing of the social contract embodied in
>>> our constitution and bill of rights, voiding the
>>> mandate that put them in office.
>>>
>>> This willingness to back down in the face of
>>> superior bullheadedness and corporate bribes has
>>> fueled youth's disgust with "establishment"
>>> lawmakers of every stripe.
>>>
>>> What a revolting development!  The people who
>>> will put the older generation into retirement
>>> homes (read: jails for the unproductive) are
>>> making themselves heard and seen.
>>>
>>> To paraphrase that reprehensible mayor of
>>> Washington, DC:  "Get used to it, oldster."
>>>
>>> /Robert (a young oldster)
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