[Rhodes22-list] More crabbing

Fri Feb 15 00:16:39 EST 2008

Mike,

One more 'war' story and then I've got to get some zzzz's for an early
morning sim.  You mentioned the curtain between the cockpit and the cabin.
Did you ever sit in the very back row and look forward?  You only had a
sliver of visibility out the cockpit windows from the back.  We usually kept
the curtain closed except for "special" occasions.  Before our beloved Boy
Governor became POTUS, we used the old FYV airport as home base (they built
a brand-spanking new mother-of-all airports that would handle Airforce One
when he became HornDog1). The primary approach was a localizer that threaded
two Ozark hills.  The second approach was a VOR from the West with a huge
right turn when you broke-out.  We'd always use the VOR from the West and
open the curtain for the pax to enjoy the view.  As soon as you got under
the clouds the only thing you could see from the back of the plane was that
we we're pointed right straight at a hillside. With the gazillion decibels
from the lawnmower, er, I mean Garrett engines and the ear plugs and the
Dave Clark headsets, you couldn't hear the gasps and shrieks from the back.
You knew they were there from the dogcussin' you'd get as the pax deplaned.

Our motto was, "these people paid for a ride, we're gonna give em' one!"

I kinda miss those days.  Kinda.

Brad

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Metroliners - oh the memories!  Nineteen seats as I recall and no separate
> cabin.  How could they have prevented the paying customers from knowing
> what
> was going on?  It was just a curtain that separated the cockpit from the
> main cabin.  Stability problems all of the time.  I hated the FRG-BOS run
> in
> the 80s.  Logan xwind was always a problem, not to mention the F/Metro's
> habit of "bobbing" like a cork.  They were all over the map!
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>       Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com> Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:36
> PM
> Rik,
>
> That reminds me of a 'war story' from my commuter days at "Scheduled
> Scareways".  The lovely Metroliner was a POS straight from the factory and
> after a few years of SS maintenance they were outright 'deathtubes'. The
> props never went into reverse symmetrically so you'd try and debrief the
> crew handing off the airplane, or if unavailable, you would very gingerly
> go
> into reverse on the first landing to see if it wanted to dart left or
> right.  We had a crew landing in a snowstorm in Springfield, MO with the
> F/O
> flying.  The Captain told him not to use reverse on touchdown because 1 -
> they didn't know which way it would dart, and 2 - reversing in snow blows
> the stuff forward and you go 0/0 on visibility immediately.  Soooooo, they
> touch down and he instantly honks it into full reverse.  They go well off
> the runway, parallel it for a few hundred yards, and through no skill and
> cunning of theirs, end-up back on the runway.  The tower can only see a
> big
> plume of snow so they ask, "Skyways, are you OK?"  By now the skipper has
> the airplane back and the F/O attempts his best manly-man voice with the
> seat cushion half-way up his anal port.
>
> "YES!"  The pax couldn't see a thing and didn't know what happened.  The
> only reason the rest of knew the truth was because the Captain was so
> scared
> he felt compelled to warn us about the F/O.
>
> As Lou Holtz used to say on Johnny Carson when he coached the Razorbacks,
> "Fayetteville, AR is so small the local airline doesn't sell tickets, they
> sell chances."
>
> He was only half kidding.
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Had a landing like that in a 737 at O'hare (windy city, what a surprise)
> > back in the 90s. Looking down the runway through the side window of the
> > airplane was an experience I'll not forget soon. It was, let's say,
> > exhilarating ..... I have to admit to some relief after I realized the
> > landing gear had held.
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > There is no magic to Free Enterprise. It is the best way to create
> wealth,
> > but it does not prevent people from making mistakes. Capitalism offers
> > people a chance to make money. But it also offers them a chance to make
> > fools of themselves. Free Enterprise – like the rest of life – merely
> > permits nature to take her course.....Bill Bonner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad Haslett wrote:
> > >> I don't fly any more, so I'll go on memory.
> > >>
> > >> As I recollect, one generally uses a little
> > >> power to pull most planes straight as the
> > >> wheels touch down, then brakes hard once she
> > >> is pointed right (given a long runway).
> > >>
> > >> Your thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> /Robert
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> "Michael D. Weisner" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Robert,
> > >>>
> > >>> With L1011s you always pushed with the throttle - more speed needed.
> > >>>
> > >>  Looked
> > >>
> > >>> like a real light load.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com> Thursday, February
> > 14,
> > >>> 2008 12:14 PM
> > >>>
> > >>>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967820/extreme_crosswind_landing/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /Robert
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