[Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel

[Chris Crispel]

Thanks Peter, your counsel is wise and clear.

Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel


> Chris,
>
> R22 is not a blue water boat in any way.  It's a really great trailerable
> coastal cruiser and lake boat for protected waters.  Stan would be the 
> first
> to suggest R22 is not the best choice for offshore.  However, a few have
> done it successfully for short trips.  They watched out for and did not
> encounter bad weather.  You gotta watch the weather like a hawk and would
> not want to be caught out in a storm big enough to roll the boat.  The 
> boat
> is pretty sturdy and would very likely survive an offshore storm better 
> than
> the you would.  The huge cockpit could be pooped with a big wave, and that
> would certainly reduce stability during the time it would take for the
> drains to clear.  If the cabin was hatched up tight, the boat would 
> probably
> float itself dry after a while, but during that time it would be more
> vulnerable to pooping again with another big wave.
>
> Crossing the 20' deep Pamlico Sound in 20 knots of headwind a few years 
> ago
> the boat did just fine.  The long fetch and shallow water built up 3-4'
> short wave length white capping waves that my sailing friends call "square
> waves".  These are nothing like big ocean rollers that don't break.   In a
> hurry to arrive by dark, we were motoring perhaps a bit too fast, with the
> headsail furled and about 40 sqft of IMF main out to reduce rolling. 
> About
> every 7th wave would break over the bow and sheet across the deck.  Most 
> of
> the water drained out the scuppers beside the aft end of cabin house, but 
> a
> small amount would travel with such wind driven force that it make its way
> to the pop top.  The pop top has a pretty good lip, about 1.5" I think, 
> but
> some of that water made it past that and into the cabin.  This continued 
> for
> the last 20 miles back and when we arrived in Oriental that night the 
> cabin
> was pretty wet in side.
>
> I have since thought that 3/4" plastic backer rod, like that used for
> backing caulking in commercial buildings, would work well and prevent the
> pop-top cover from leaking if stuffed into the crack between the cabin 
> house
> and the poptop cover.  Or, we could have slowed down, taken an extra hour 
> or
> so and arrived after dark.
>
> A sturdy heavy bluewater boat like a 20' Flicka would have been a better
> boat to be on that day.  However, on a beautiful light to moderate air day
> my R22 can sail a circle around a Flicka.
>
> You have owned many BBs, so I'm sure you know all boats are compromises.
> R22 is a great boat, but not the best to be caught in extreme weather that
> can happen offshore.  Of course anything is possible.  I read somewhere 
> that
> some nut sailed a Potter 19 to Hawaii.   Perhaps he was lucky, but that
> doesn't mean it's a good idea.
>
> PT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:18 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>
> I have not been offshore, but I have been in 4-6 ft waves on Lake 
> Michigan.
> The boat handled the conditions much better then the crew.
> One of the advantages of the Rhodes is the variety of sail
> configurations that can be used.
> I have sailed with a whisper of genoa and a hint of main.  On the other
> hand
> it does not compare with a boat like the Dana 24 which
> are designed for offshore sailing, have small cockpits and deep fixed 
> keels.
> The Rhodes will do fine if you are caught in bad weather, but it's
> compromises
> tend toward comfort and trailering rather than long offshore passages.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> It's sort  of like the dirt track racing adage - "There is
>> no substitute for cubic inches."  When it comes to sailboats,
>> there is no substitute for mass low down.  On the other hand,
>> mass costs speed and fiberglass.
>>
>> The R22, like every boat, is a compromise.  She is light enough
>> to tow, sail fast, and produce for a reasonable price - and
>> heavy enough to be remarkably stable.  The beautifully
>> designed hull shape, with plenty of flare and freeboard,
>> greatly contributes to the R22's stability.
>>
>> That said, you need to get the feel of the boat any way you can
>> to see if she is for you.  You will be surprised at the amount
>> of easily useable interior space.
>>
>> /Robert
>>
>> Chris Crispel wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind welcome, Robert.
>>>
>>> My question still stands about the boat's use for offshore sailing in
>>> Panama.  I would certainly like to hear about the boat's behavior in
> rough
>>> conditions-anything would help
>>>
>>> Many Thanks
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>
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