[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel

Chris Crispel ccrispel at jeffnet.org
Wed Jan 23 20:44:14 EST 2008 

Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way.  Not enough boat for my 
intended use.

Thanks

Chris
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel


> Chris, given what you have laid out as
> requirements, and the nature and depth
> of your objections, it appears that you
> have ruled out the Rhodes 22.  Is that
> the case?
>
> /Robert
> ---------------------------------------
> Chris Crispel wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary Lou:
>>
>> Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27' vessels, 
>> usually
>> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the fin.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>
>> > Chris,
>> > A few more thoughts.
>> >
>> > I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two kinds of
>> > sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
>> > characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat that is
>> > less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if you
>> > have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a flatbed.
>> > The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
>> > likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your definition
>> > but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing squall. If
>> > you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he says
>> > that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
>> > weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that capsized him
>> > built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you might be
>> > sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short squall.
>> >
>> > I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get caught
>> > out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a day
>> > at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will build up
>> > bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20 and 30
>> > knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind.  The
>> > windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine with
>> > the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to you. If
>> > you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you and
>> > a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
>> > coming in to get there?
>> >
>> > We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather forecasting
>> > and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our weather
>> > windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
>> >
>> > What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail? Are
>> > there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small Catalinas
>> > and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
>> > Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and while
>> > we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
>> > motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
>> > much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because of the
>> > wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some of our
>> > friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West Indies 34
>> > will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
>> >
>> > Again best of luck with your decision,
>> > Mary Lou
>> > 1991 R22 Fretless
>> > Rock Hall, MD
>> >
>> > At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>> >>Steven:
>> >>
>> >>You have given sound advice.  I was just about to pack it in when I
>> >>received
>> >>your e-mail.  Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks Again
>> >>
>> >>Chris
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Chris,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think it all depends on how you like to sail.  Obviously the R22 
>> >> > is
>> >> > much
>> >> > more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape Dory,
>> >> > whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
>> >> > over-powered
>> >> > and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many times. 
>> >> > If
>> >> > you
>> >> > don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine.  The boat is
>> >> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X sailing."
>> >> > Secure
>> >> > your gear and sail her like a laser.  I'm fine with that and the 
>> >> > boat's
>> >> > fine
>> >> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much.  Therein lies the
>> >> > question:  What does the Mrs. want?  I've finally learned to reef 
>> >> > way
>> >> > the
>> >> > hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy and
>> >> > safe.
>> >> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling Genny--infinite
>> >> > reefing
>> >> > capabilities.
>> >> >
>> >> > That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22 in is
>> >> > about
>> >> > 27.  Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.  In 
>> >> > that
>> >> > case
>> >> > you have to jibe about, but you can still make way.  And if you're
>> >> > going
>> >> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
>> >> >
>> >> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own 
>> >> > chainplate.
>> >> > You
>> >> > could lose any two and the mast would still stand.  Ummm...probably.
>> >> >
>> >> > You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should be) for 
>> >> > her
>> >> > many
>> >> > great features.  You said you want to explore the islands--with the
>> >> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your boat on 
>> >> > those
>> >> > islands.  You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
>> >> >
>> >> > You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k you up no
>> >> > matter
>> >> > what boat you're on.  Examine your needs and wants and ask more
>> >> > questions
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far more
>> >> > calm
>> >> > than the Pacific.  I think you'd be fine with the R22.
>> >> >
>> >> > Slim
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and taking 
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving down 
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> a trailer?  i may have missed part of your explanation, somewhere.
>> >> >> sorry,
>> >> >> i
>> >> >> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic  or pacific
>> >> >> side?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote:  You mean like a 
>> >> >> larger,
>> >> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
>> >> >> the hull)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Just bent"
>> >> >> To:
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Chris,
>> >> >> > I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some big 
>> >> >> > weather
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for me was 
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> motor
>> >> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the prop
>> >> >> > would
>> >> >> > come
>> >> >> > out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if the 
>> >> >> > prop
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > under the boat.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Jb
>> >> >> > Just bent
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi Tootle:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the Rhodes 
>> >> >> >> 22
>> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> a major question that needs to be put to the members of 'the 
>> >> >> >> list".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to make 
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> our
>> >> >> >> future
>> >> >> >> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or lakes,
>> >> >> >> just
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed 
>> >> >> >> offshore
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what adjustments
>> >> >> >> (modifications)
>> >> >> >> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard. Yes, I do
>> >> >> >> know
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about in 
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> ocean.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way, way,
>> >> >> >> beyond
>> >> >> >> that.
>> >> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense is that
>> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> vessel
>> >> >> >> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork. So,
>> >> >> >> please
>> >> >> >> tell
>> >> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to meet 
>> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> owners
>> >> >> >> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States where 
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will have to 
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Many Thanks
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Chris Crispel
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> From: "Tootle"
>> >> >> >> To:
>> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
>> >> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Chris,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And where ya
>> >> >> >>> be?
>> >> >> >>> And
>> >> >> >>> why ya here?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Ed K
>> >> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your gonna
>> >> >> catch..
>> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> View this message in context:
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>> >> >> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >> >> >>>
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>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >
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