[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
Chris Crispel
ccrispel at jeffnet.org
Thu Jan 24 12:52:01 EST 2008
Thanks Stan:
Do you have any plans to complete the 27 that you have? It would tend
to eliminate all of my concerns. One note: I am 6'7" and 275 lbs and
my wife is 5'10' and she won't tell me what she weighs. But, as you
can see length of berths, head room (yes, the swell head as well) is a
factor in any decision.
Thanks
Stan
On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:44 AM, stan wrote:
> I might point out that Chris is the noted skipper sailing his old
> Rhodes in
> the cover illustration of one of the latest books that they insist
> publishing about the Rhodes. In this book the author, who is a
> Catalina
> man, waxes on to say, "From the deep blue ocean to shallow coves,
> the Rhodes
> covers it all.".
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>
>
>> Your on! Will give you a call tomorrow.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>
>>
>>> Aw Chris,
>>> What a bummer, I just opened my email after a bit of a
>>> haietus to find a felow (well potential) Rhodie right next door from
>>> Medford
>>> where I live. Tell you what, I'll try to change your mind AND I
>>> buy the
>>> beer at Standing Stone. Give me a call at 857-1061 anytime after
>>> 6 pm.
>>> I
>>> have a lot of sailing experience and have admitidly pushed the
>>> limits on
>>> the
>>> boat but didn't find them, well maybe that one time with the
>>> tornado........
>>>
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Medford, OR
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way. Not enough boat
>>>> for my
>>>> intended use.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris, given what you have laid out as
>>>>> requirements, and the nature and depth
>>>>> of your objections, it appears that you
>>>>> have ruled out the Rhodes 22. Is that
>>>>> the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert
>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>> Chris Crispel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mary Lou:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of the vessels that ply that country are at least 27'
>>>>>> vessels,
>>>>>> usually
>>>>>> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel with a lot of lead in the
>>>>>> fin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>> A few more thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Steve (Slim) makes a good distinction between two
>>>>>>> kinds of
>>>>>>> sailing. Do you want a small trailerable boat with its attendant
>>>>>>> characteristics or do you want a more solid ocean going boat
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft. are transportable if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have access to a crane (on both sides of the country) and a
>>>>>>> flatbed.
>>>>>>> The real consideration in my mind is how far you have to go and
>>>>>>> likely are you to get caught out in real weather - your
>>>>>>> definition
>>>>>>> but in my mind "real weather" does NOT include the passing
>>>>>>> squall.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you remember Paul Cleavenger's description of his capsize he
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> that had he been able to get the bow into the wind he might have
>>>>>>> weathered even the microburst. Note that the wave that
>>>>>>> capsized him
>>>>>>> built in a shallow river. I don't know the depths where you
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> sailing but in true ocean depths waves won't build in a short
>>>>>>> squall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the question for you may be how likely are you to get
>>>>>>> caught
>>>>>>> out in weather systems that raise the winds above 25 knots for a
>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>> at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24 hours or more will
>>>>>>> build up
>>>>>>> bigger waves than a sudden brief squall. Somewhere between 20
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>> knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to tack into the wind. The
>>>>>>> windage of the flared hull, the freeboard and rigging combine
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the larger waves throwing you about and it all catches up to
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you are sailing on the ocean, what are the distances between you
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> a safe harbor? Would you have enough notice of a weather system
>>>>>>> coming in to get there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We sail all over the Chesapeake in our Rhodes. Weather
>>>>>>> forecasting
>>>>>>> and delivery of weather information is good. We can pick our
>>>>>>> weather
>>>>>>> windows. Safe harbors are never more than 8 hours away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do folks who sail your prospective cruising grounds sail?
>>>>>>> Are
>>>>>>> there boats under 30 ft? If folks are sailing newer small
>>>>>>> Catalinas
>>>>>>> and Hunters, they are probably not much more seaworthy than the
>>>>>>> Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks with bigger boats and
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> we are perhaps more cautious where the weather is concerned (our
>>>>>>> motto is "why get beat up if you don't have to?"), we don't miss
>>>>>>> much. For the most part we find that when we stay in because
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas stay in as well. Some
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> friends in Island Packets or the guy with the Heritage West
>>>>>>> Indies
>>>>>>> 34
>>>>>>> will go out in higher winds and be comfortable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again best of luck with your decision,
>>>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Steven:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have given sound advice. I was just about to pack it in
>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>>> your e-mail. Of course your right and will proceed cautiously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Again
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it all depends on how you like to sail. Obviously the
>>>>>>>>> R22
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> more tender than a full keel boat like the Dana, Flicka, Cape
>>> Dory,
>>>>>>>>> whatever, but I've been caught in high winds and have been way
>>>>>>>>> over-powered
>>>>>>>>> and dunked my rails and shipped water into the cockpit many
>>>>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> don't mind riding a spirited horse then you'll be fine. The
>>>>>>>>> boat
>>> is
>>>>>>>>> seaworthy as hell but in high winds, you're in for some "X
>>> sailing."
>>>>>>>>> Secure
>>>>>>>>> your gear and sail her like a laser. I'm fine with that and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> boat's
>>>>>>>>> fine
>>>>>>>>> with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like it that much. Therein
>>>>>>>>> lies
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> question: What does the Mrs. want? I've finally learned to
>>>>>>>>> reef
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> hell in and sail upright in high winds and keep the crew happy
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>>>>> This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF with furling
>>>>>>>>> Genny--infinite
>>>>>>>>> reefing
>>>>>>>>> capabilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, the highest wind you can comfortably sail the R22
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> 27. Beyond that the hull has too much windage to tack about.
>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>> you have to jibe about, but you can still make way. And if
>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for toughness, the R22 has 9 stays--each with it's own
>>>>>>>>> chainplate.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> could lose any two and the mast would still stand.
>>> Ummm...probably.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You said you are enamored by the Rhodes (as well you should
>>>>>>>>> be)
>>> for
>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> great features. You said you want to explore the islands--
>>>>>>>>> with
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> combination keel of the Rhodes you can easily beach your
>>>>>>>>> boat on
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> islands. You certainly can't do that with a full keel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're an experienced sailor and you know big WX can f**k
>>>>>>>>> you up
>>> no
>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>>>> what boat you're on. Examine your needs and wants and ask
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Re Panama, the San Blas are on the Caribbean side which is far
>>> more
>>>>>>>>> calm
>>>>>>>>> than the Pacific. I think you'd be fine with the R22.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i have to ask a question. why are you buying a boat here and
>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> panama? are you sailing it to panama, shipping it or driving
>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> a trailer? i may have missed part of your explanation,
>>>>>>>>>> somewhere
>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> sorry,
>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>> just don't get it. are you going to be on the atlantic or
>>> pacific
>>>>>>>>>> side?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org> wrote: You mean like a
>>>>>>>>>> larger,
>>>>>>>>>> heavier boat with a diesel engine and prop (under
>>>>>>>>>> the hull)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks, you and others are helping me make a decision.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Just bent"
>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>> I have not been sailing long but I have been out in some big
>>>>>>>>>>> weather
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> R22, (on a lake) and the one thing that was a problem for me
>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> motor
>>>>>>>>>>> hanging off the back of the boat. I was rolling so much the
>>> prop
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> out of the water. I remember thinking it might be better if
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> prop
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> under the boat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>>>>> Just bent
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Crispel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tootle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm here on "the list" because I have been taken with the
>>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>>>>>> 22
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a major question that needs to be put to the members of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'the
>>>>>>>>>>>> list".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My wife and I will be moving to the Republic of Panama to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>> future
>>>>>>>>>>>> home. As you may know, there are no bays (to speak of) or
>>> lakes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ocean. My question is multifaceted- have any of you sailed
>>>>>>>>>>>> offshore
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean swells, what adjustments
>>>>>>>>>>>> (modifications)
>>>>>>>>>>>> would you make to increase safety and comfort aboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I
>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> one can sail in a cork, but who wants to be battered about
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ocean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been sailing since the age of 16 and now I'm way,
>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am a highly experienced sailor and my common sea sense is
>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> vessel
>>>>>>>>>>>> is to small and subject to being tossed about like a cork.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> me that I am wrong and making to much out of this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I currently reside in Ashland, Oregon and would love to
>>>>>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> owners
>>>>>>>>>>>> and their vessels. California and Oregon are the States
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible. However, if I can't meet everyone, then I will
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied with "the list".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Crispel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tootle"
>>>>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Crispel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now, just who are you? And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>> ya
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> why ya here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishin' is like a box of chocolate.. u never no what your
>>> gonna
>>>>>>>>>> catch..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes you catch nothing! Unattributed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Chris-Crispel-tp15022481p15022481.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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