[Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re: Chris Crispel
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watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 24 20:59:25 EST 2008
Yoou da man!
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--- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> He stan,
> Check our February's Cruising World on page 22.
> There is a picture of
> the book's cover which is a picture of the Rhodes,
> picture that! Kind of an
> egnima, wrapped in a mystery, surounded by......
> Chris da'Greek
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing Re:
> Chris Crispel
>
>
> > I might point out that Chris is the noted skipper
> sailing his old Rhodes
> in
> > the cover illustration of one of the latest books
> that they insist
> > publishing about the Rhodes. In this book the
> author, who is a Catalina
> > man, waxes on to say, "From the deep blue ocean to
> shallow coves, the
> Rhodes
> > covers it all.".
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing
> Re: Chris Crispel
> >
> >
> > > Your on! Will give you a call tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing
> Re: Chris Crispel
> > >
> > >
> > >> Aw Chris,
> > >> What a bummer, I just opened my
> email after a bit of a
> > >> haietus to find a felow (well potential) Rhodie
> right next door from
> > >> Medford
> > >> where I live. Tell you what, I'll try to
> change your mind AND I buy
> the
> > >> beer at Standing Stone. Give me a call at
> 857-1061 anytime after 6
> pm.
> > >> I
> > >> have a lot of sailing experience and have
> admitidly pushed the limits
> on
> > >> the
> > >> boat but didn't find them, well maybe that one
> time with the
> > >> tornado........
> > >>
> > >> Chris Geankoplis
> > >> Medford, OR
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Chris Crispel" <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:44 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing
> Re: Chris Crispel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Yes, Robert, unfortunately it looks that way.
> Not enough boat for my
> > >>> intended use.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Robert Skinner"
> <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> > >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:16 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] small boat
> sailing Re: Chris Crispel
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > Chris, given what you have laid out as
> > >>> > requirements, and the nature and depth
> > >>> > of your objections, it appears that you
> > >>> > have ruled out the Rhodes 22. Is that
> > >>> > the case?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > /Robert
> > >>> > ---------------------------------------
> > >>> > Chris Crispel wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Hi Mary Lou:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Most of the vessels that ply that country
> are at least 27' vessels,
> > >>> >> usually
> > >>> >> with a cutaway full keel, or a fin keel
> with a lot of lead in the
> > >>> >> fin.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Thanks
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Chris
> > >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > >>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:46 AM
> > >>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] small boat sailing
> Re: Chris Crispel
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> > Chris,
> > >>> >> > A few more thoughts.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > I think Steve (Slim) makes a good
> distinction between two kinds
> of
> > >>> >> > sailing. Do you want a small trailerable
> boat with its attendant
> > >>> >> > characteristics or do you want a more
> solid ocean going boat that
> > >>> >> > is
> > >>> >> > less trailerable. (Most boats under 40ft.
> are transportable if
> you
> > >>> >> > have access to a crane (on both sides of
> the country) and a
> > >>> >> > flatbed.
> > >>> >> > The real consideration in my mind is how
> far you have to go and
> > >>> >> > likely are you to get caught out in real
> weather - your
> definition
> > >>> >> > but in my mind "real weather" does NOT
> include the passing
> squall.
> > >>> >> > If
> > >>> >> > you remember Paul Cleavenger's
> description of his capsize he says
> > >>> >> > that had he been able to get the bow into
> the wind he might have
> > >>> >> > weathered even the microburst. Note that
> the wave that capsized
> him
> > >>> >> > built in a shallow river. I don't know
> the depths where you might
> > >>> >> > be
> > >>> >> > sailing but in true ocean depths waves
> won't build in a short
> > >>> >> > squall.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > I think the question for you may be how
> likely are you to get
> > >>> >> > caught
> > >>> >> > out in weather systems that raise the
> winds above 25 knots for a
> > >>> >> > day
> > >>> >> > at a time? Wind blowing 25 knots for 24
> hours or more will build
> up
> > >>> >> > bigger waves than a sudden brief squall.
> Somewhere between 20 and
> > >>> >> > 30
> > >>> >> > knots, the Rhodes becomes less able to
> tack into the wind. The
> > >>> >> > windage of the flared hull, the freeboard
> and rigging combine
> with
> > >>> >> > the larger waves throwing you about and
> it all catches up to you.
> > >>> >> > If
> > >>> >> > you are sailing on the ocean, what are
> the distances between you
> > >>> >> > and
> > >>> >> > a safe harbor? Would you have enough
> notice of a weather system
> > >>> >> > coming in to get there?
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > We sail all over the Chesapeake in our
> Rhodes. Weather
> forecasting
> > >>> >> > and delivery of weather information is
> good. We can pick our
> > >>> >> > weather
> > >>> >> > windows. Safe harbors are never more than
> 8 hours away.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > What do folks who sail your prospective
> cruising grounds sail?
> Are
> > >>> >> > there boats under 30 ft? If folks are
> sailing newer small
> Catalinas
> > >>> >> > and Hunters, they are probably not much
> more seaworthy than the
> > >>> >> > Rhodes.We spend a lot of time with folks
> with bigger boats and
> > >>> >> > while
> > >>> >> > we are perhaps more cautious where the
> weather is concerned (our
> > >>> >> > motto is "why get beat up if you don't
> have to?"), we don't miss
> > >>> >> > much. For the most part we find that when
> we stay in because of
> the
> > >>> >> > wind and waves, our friends in Catalinas
> stay in as well. Some of
> > >>> >> > our
> > >>> >> > friends in Island Packets or the guy with
> the Heritage West
> Indies
> > >>> >> > 34
> > >>> >> > will go out in higher winds and be
> comfortable.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Again best of luck with your decision,
> > >>> >> > Mary Lou
> > >>> >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > >>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > At 09:48 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
> > >>> >> >>Steven:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>You have given sound advice. I was just
> about to pack it in when
> I
> > >>> >> >>received
> > >>> >> >>your e-mail. Of course your right and
> will proceed cautiously.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>Thanks Again
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>Chris
> > >>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>> >> >>From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> > >>> >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:51 AM
> > >>> >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris
> Crispel
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> > Chris,
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > I think it all depends on how you like
> to sail. Obviously the
> > >>> >> >> > R22
> > >>> >> >> > is
> > >>> >> >> > much
> > >>> >> >> > more tender than a full keel boat like
> the Dana, Flicka, Cape
> > >> Dory,
> > >>> >> >> > whatever, but I've been caught in high
> winds and have been way
> > >>> >> >> > over-powered
> > >>> >> >> > and dunked my rails and shipped water
> into the cockpit many
> > >>> >> >> > times.
> > >>> >> >> > If
> > >>> >> >> > you
> > >>> >> >> > don't mind riding a spirited horse
> then you'll be fine. The
> > >>> >> >> > boat
> > >> is
> > >>> >> >> > seaworthy as hell but in high winds,
> you're in for some "X
> > >> sailing."
> > >>> >> >> > Secure
> > >>> >> >> > your gear and sail her like a laser.
> I'm fine with that and
> the
> > >>> >> >> > boat's
> > >>> >> >> > fine
> > >>> >> >> > with that, but the Mrs. doesn't like
> it that much. Therein
> lies
> > >> the
> > >>> >> >> > question: What does the Mrs. want?
> I've finally learned to
> > >>> >> >> > reef
> > >>> >> >> > way
> > >>> >> >> > the
> > >>> >> >> > hell in and sail upright in high winds
> and keep the crew happy
> > >>> >> >> > and
> > >>> >> >> > safe.
> > >>> >> >> > This is the beauty of the Rhodes IMF
> with furling
> > >>> >> >> > Genny--infinite
> > >>> >> >> > reefing
> > >>> >> >> > capabilities.
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > That said, the highest wind you can
> comfortably sail the R22
> in
> > >>> >> >> > is
> > >>> >> >> > about
> > >>> >> >> > 27. Beyond that the hull has too much
> windage to tack about.
> > >>> >> >> > In
> > >>> >> >> > that
> > >>> >> >> > case
> > >>> >> >> > you have to jibe about, but you can
> still make way. And if
> > >>> >> >> > you're
> > >>> >> >> > going
> > >>> >> >> > downwind, you'll be a happy guy!
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > As for toughness, the R22 has 9
> stays--each with it's own
> > >>> >> >> > chainplate.
> > >>> >> >> > You
> > >>> >> >> > could lose any two and the mast would
> still stand.
> > >> Ummm...probably.
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > You said you are enamored by the
> Rhodes (as well you should
> be)
> > >> for
> > >>> >> >> > her
> > >>> >> >> > many
> > >>> >> >> > great features. You said you want to
> explore the
> islands--with
> > >> the
> > >>> >> >> > combination keel of the Rhodes you can
> easily beach your boat
> on
> > >>> >> >> > those
> > >>> >> >> > islands. You certainly can't do that
> with a full keel.
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > You're an experienced sailor and you
> know big WX can f**k you
> up
> > >> no
> > >>> >> >> > matter
> > >>> >> >> > what boat you're on. Examine your
> needs and wants and ask
> more
> > >>> >> >> > questions
> > >>> >> >> > here.
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > Re Panama, the San Blas are on the
> Caribbean side which is far
> > >> more
> > >>> >> >> > calm
> > >>> >> >> > than the Pacific. I think you'd be
> fine with the R22.
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > Slim
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> > On Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM, john
> Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> >> i have to ask a question. why are you
> buying a boat here and
> > >> taking
> > >>> >> >> >> it
> > >>> >> >> >> to
> > >>> >> >> >> panama? are you sailing it to panama,
> shipping it or driving
> > >>> >> >> >> down
> > >>> >> >> >> with
> > >>> >> >> >> it
> > >>> >> >> >> on
> > >>> >> >> >> a trailer? i may have missed part of
> your explanation,
> > >>> >> >> >> somewhere
> > >> .
> > >>> >> >> >> sorry,
> > >>> >> >> >> i
> > >>> >> >> >> just don't get it. are you going to
> be on the atlantic or
> > >> pacific
> > >>> >> >> >> side?
> > >>> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> Chris Crispel <ccrispel at jeffnet.org>
> wrote: You mean like a
> > >>> >> >> >> larger,
> > >>> >> >> >> heavier boat with a diesel engine and
> prop (under
> > >>> >> >> >> the hull)
> > >>> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> thanks, you and others are helping me
> make a decision.
> > >>> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> Chris
> > >>> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> >> >> >> From: "Just bent"
> > >>> >> >> >> To:
> > >>> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:10
> PM
> > >>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris
> Crispel
> > >>> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> >> > Chris,
> > >>> >> >> >> > I have not been sailing long but I
> have been out in some
> big
> > >>> >> >> >> > weather
> > >>> >> >> >> > in
> > >>> >> >> >> my
> > >>> >> >> >> > R22, (on a lake) and the one thing
> that was a problem for
> me
> > >> was
> > >>> >> >> >> > the
> > >>> >> >> >> motor
> > >>> >> >> >> > hanging off the back of the boat. I
> was rolling so much the
> > >> prop
> > >>> >> >> >> > would
> > >>> >> >> >> > come
> > >>> >> >> >> > out of the water. I remember
> thinking it might be better if
> > >>> >> >> >> > the
> > >>> >> >> >> > prop
> > >>> >> >> >> > was
> > >>> >> >> >> > under the boat.
> > >>> >> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> >> > Jb
> > >>> >> >> >> > Just bent
> > >>> >> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >> >> > Chris Crispel wrote:
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> Hi Tootle:
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> I'm here on "the list" because I
> have been taken with the
> > >> Rhodes
> > >>> >> >> >> >> 22
> > >>> >> >> >> >> but
> > >>> >> >> >> >> have
> > >>> >> >> >> >> a major question that needs to be
> put to the members of
> 'the
> > >>> >> >> >> >> list".
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> My wife and I will be moving to
> the Republic of Panama to
> > >>> >> >> >> >> make
> > >>> >> >> >> >> it
> > >>> >> >> >> >> our
> > >>> >> >> >> >> future
> > >>> >> >> >> >> home. As you may know, there are
> no bays (to speak of) or
> > >> lakes,
> > >>> >> >> >> >> just
> > >>> >> >> >> >> the
> > >>> >> >> >> >> ocean. My question is
> multifaceted- have any of you sailed
> > >>> >> >> >> >> offshore
> > >>> >> >> >> >> in
> > >>> >> >> >> >> the
> > >>> >> >> >> >> Rhodes?, how does she handle ocean
> swells, what
> adjustments
> > >>> >> >> >> >> (modifications)
> > >>> >> >> >> >> would you make to increase safety
> and comfort aboard. Yes,
> I
> > >> do
> > >>> >> >> >> >> know
> > >>> >> >> >> >> that
> > >>> >> >> >> >> one can sail in a cork, but who
> wants to be battered about
> > >>> >> >> >> >> in
> > >>> >> >> >> >> the
> > >>> >> >> >> ocean.
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> I have been sailing since the age
> of 16 and now I'm way,
> > >>> >> >> >> >> way,
> > >>> >> >> >> >> beyond
> > >>> >> >> >> >> that.
> > >>> >> >> >> >> I am a highly experienced sailor
> and my common sea sense
> is
> > >> that
> > >>> >> >> >> >> this
> > >>> >> >> >> >> vessel
> > >>> >> >> >> >> is to small and subject to being
> tossed about like a cork.
> > >>> >> >> >> >> So,
> > >>> >> >> >> >> please
> > >>> >> >> >> >> tell
> > >>> >> >> >> >> me that I am wrong and making to
> much out of this.
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> I currently reside in Ashland,
> Oregon and would love to
> meet
> > >>> >> >> >> >> other
> > >>> >> >> >> owners
> > >>> >> >> >> >> and their vessels. California and
> Oregon are the States
> > >>> >> >> >> >> where
> > >>> >> >> >> >> that
> > >>> >> >> >> would
> > >>> >> >> >> >> be
> > >>> >> >> >> >> possible. However, if I can't meet
> everyone, then I will
> > >>> >> >> >> >> have
> > >> to
> > >>> >> >> >> >> be
> > >>> >> >> >> >> satisfied with "the list".
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> Many Thanks
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> Chris Crispel
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> >> >> >> >> From: "Tootle"
> > >>> >> >> >> >> To:
> > >>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008
> 8:42 AM
> > >>> >> >> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris
> Crispel
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> Chris,
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> Welcome to the Rhodes List. Now,
> just who are you? And
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> where
> > >> ya
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> be?
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> And
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> why ya here?
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> Ed K
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> Greenville, SC, USA
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> fishin' is like a box of
> chocolate.. u never no what your
> > >> gonna
> > >>> >> >> >> catch..
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> and
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> sometimes you catch nothing!
> Unattributed
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> --
> > >>> >> >> >> >>> View this message in context:
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
>
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> > >>> >> >> >> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing
> list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >> >> >>>
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