[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 1541, Issue 1

[William McCready Jr.]

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 > From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 1541, Issue 1> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:02:06 -0400> > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Politics (Brad Haslett)> 2. Re: First Time Out (Rik Sandberg)> 3. Re: First Time Out (Hank)> 4. First Time Out Michae T. a reply (Tootle)> 5. Re: Introduction-soon to be new old Rhodes owner (chetc)> 6. Re: What constitutes War; and quick shout out. (TN Rhodey)> 7. First Time Out (Joe Babb)> 8. Re: First Time Out (Arthur H. Czerwonky)> 9. Re: First Time Out (Rik Sandberg)> 10. Re: First Time Out (Rik Sandberg)> 11. Re: First Time Out (Arthur H. Czerwonky)> 12. Re: First Time Out (R22RumRunner at aol.com)> 13. Re: anchor locker - dumb questions (Leland)> 14. Demo/Repub! Political humor. (R22RumRunner at aol.com)> 15. Re: First Time Out (Hank)> 16. Re: First Time Out (KUHN, LELAND)> 17. Re: First Time Out (Hank)> 18. Re: First Time Out (John Shulick)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:41:46 -0500> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <400985d70806292041h16a49516q717b84f3b88c1fea at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312> > The label is in the interest of "truth in labeling". This is a continuation> of the Carlin's death theme. Life is strange, people are stranger!> > Brad> > -------------------> > 7 Words You Can't Say in Campaign 2008> > June 29, 2008 - by Bridget Johnson> > So here's my common ground with the late George Carlin: Besides heartily> affirming his treatise on "stuff," I think the Federal Communications> Commission is pretty useless. Or at least utterly humorous, given the June> 2007 [1] press release<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-273602A1.pdf>in> which FCC Chairman Kevin Martin, bemoaning a 2nd Circuit Court of> Appeals> ruling that sided with Cher and Nicole Richie's on-air verbal malfunctions,> dropped the F-bomb four times and the S-bomb three times.> > In fact, Carlin even got a cameo in Martin's rant: "In the 1978 Pacifica> case, the Supreme Court affirmed the Commission's finding that the broadcast> of comedian George Carlin's monologue about the 'seven dirty words you can't> say on TV and radio' was indecent," Martin wrote in one of the non-swearing> paragraphs. "In the case before the court today, the Commission was> restricting only the use of two of those seven words."> > Like Carlin, I've wondered who decided that, out of all the words in the> English language, these are the chosen dirty few. I've wondered why using> technical language to describe dirty acts is permitted but the shorthanded> jargon is markedly more offensive. I've wondered why, if these words are so> destructive, they're in the dictionary, which comes with no R-rating or> parental warning (don't get any ideas, Martin). I've wondered if the> superior nature of HBO and Showtime series has anything to do with their> freedom to curse. I think too much, dammit.> > But like those seven dirty words you can't say on TV ? including the FCC> chairman's top picks ? the culture of political correctness is swallowing> more and more of our "acceptable" lexicon. Especially in this> oh-so-sensitive campaign season, consider the "Seven Dirty Words You Can't> Say in Campaign 2008?: Pundits and voters alike, beware the rap of the> Politically Correct Commission!> > - *Swift boat:* If you split the compound term, the words are completely> innocuous. Swift is always good, especially in L.A. traffic. Boat brings> about pleasant thoughts of sailing along the ocean blue. Until Somali> pirates come aboard, of course. Swift boats are good, because they get you> to your destination on time. But Swift boat ought not to be uttered in> conjunction with Campaign 2008. People start to twitch. John Kerry turns> shades of scarlet. Liberals sing of dirty tactics and stolen election. And> now, it doesn't even have to do with a boat. Bring up dirt from the past?> Aw, man, you Swift boated me! Who cares if you never even served on one?> > > - *Reverend:* It's good to revere and be revered. Didn't Machiavelli say> something like that? But in Campaign 2008, the holy man isn't coming 'round> to bless your house. If he baptized your kids, before or after the> anti-American rant, you'd better find an electoral confessional. It'll taint> you by pew association. Then your Pew numbers will plummet. Then the requiem> for your political career. Oh, lordy Lord. Soon to be replaced by the word> "Bible." Presidential hopefuls trying to be theologians. And doing a bad> job.> > > - *Experience:* Jimi Hendrix once asked if you were experienced. Not> necessarily stoned, but beautiful. The campaign connotation isn't quite so> colorful. It's just about experience, man. Do you press the button or not?> Pakistani invasion? Why not? Who's the president of Russia? Who said voters> shouldn't give you a learner's permit for running the country?> > > - *Present:* Not the good kind of present. Not the one wrapped in a bow> or slammed onto a gift card. It's the kind of noncommittal vote ? the> non-vote that only serves to confirm one's existence on this Earth, or to> denote that you're simply a seat-warmer in the state Senate. With big> ambitions. Big, big, big ambitions. So just don't vote. Don't leave a paper> trail, a shiny ribbon of proof of what your views really are. Just vote> present. Nobody will ever know the difference. They'll just think you were> too busy. Your mind was too occupied with all the cool votes you actually> plan to cast in the future. Really.> > > - *Hussein:* Both of 'em. Not allowed to say Barack Obama's middle name.> It's kinda Muslimish sounding. And you wouldn't wanna do that. Because he> goes to that church with the "God damn America" guy. Shouldn't that make you> feel better? And mentioning the other Hussein is just as taboo. You know,> Saddam. Can't remind anti-war voters that Saddam Hussein was bad. Really,> really bad. Genocidal bad. Just keep cramming that being "present" ? eek! ?> in Iraq for 100 years thing down voters' throats. With no correct context.> > > - *Financing:* Buying a car? Nope. Buying a home? Nada. Buying an> election? Of course! Just don't utter that F-bomb. Yeah, the guy said he'd> take public financing if his opponent did. His opponent did. And now, Mr.> Moneybags isn't. What, can't a guy change his mind? Especially when it suits> him? Egads, I went and said the C-word there. You know which one.> > > - *Change:* Not loose change. Not climate change. Mysterious change, like> Marky Mark and his Funky Bunch running from the wind through the willows in> *The Happening*. Good change is like morning in America. Bad change> sucks. It's the word that sounds all juicy and hopeful, but can be a bigger> letdown than the fourth *Indiana Jones*. The PCC chastises the chastising> of candidates who liberally use this word without any explanation. Just feel> good, man. And be present for that financing juggernaut.> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:01:08 -0500> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID: <48685A84.6020206 at gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Michael,> > Sounds like your furling line was wrapped backwards. Take it off the > drum the rest of the way and wind it on the other way around.> > Actually, it sound like you will have to take the last couple wraps off > the drum, roll up the sail by hand, then tie the furling line back on > the drum the right way.> > As you unfurl (pull the jib out) the furling line should be winding up > on the drum.> > When the jib is rolled up all the way , there should still be a couple > or three turns of line on the furler drum. You pull the jib out (pull > the sheets) the drum fills up. Furl (pull the furling line) the jib and > the drum empties.> > Good luck,> > Rik> > Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault> > > > Brad Haslett wrote:> > Michael,> >> > First, I am not a sailor, I am a sailboat owner. Rummy and Wally and a> > gazillion others can answer your questions as sailors better, but,> > mechanical problems with mechanical devices are the given. Without getting> > into the specific mechanical issues of your problems, the first thing you> > need to learn is how to eliminate that "big ass wing" in the breeze when all> > you want to do is just want to motor home. Read enough sailing books and> > you'll hear a tale or two about who was running the boat - nature or me.> > Chalk your experience up to "learning" and some old heads on the list will> > decipher your specific mechanical and sail plan issues. Anytime you learn a> > new skill it is intimidating in the initial phases, otherwise it wouldn't be> > worth learning!> >> > Brad> >> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:08 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > > >> Hello All,> >>> >> After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> >> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> >> for> >> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year> >> old> >> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> >> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> >> panel from GB to boot.> >>> >> So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> >> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> >> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> >> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> >> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> >> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels.> >>> >> The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> >> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried to> >> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out> >> the> >> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> >> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go forward> >> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in the> >> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> >> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> >> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> >> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.> >> Motor> >> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the jib> >> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> >> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> >> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen? Counter> >> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> >> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >>> >> As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> >> was> >> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and> >> now> >> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> >> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened. We> >> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> >> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> >> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> >> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat amd> >> went home.> >>> >> What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly hand> >> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> >> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> >> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> >> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> >> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> >> were we already in danger?> >>> >> Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >>> >> Michael> >> Rhodes 87', Silverside> >>> >> --> >> View this message in context:> >> http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >>> >> __________________________________________________> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >> __________________________________________________> >>> >> > > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:36:45 -0400> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <c319c8b50806300336t20becd53ve9520aee20595b62 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Michael,> > I had an issue recently where my main furler jammed with about a 3rd of the> sail out. As we were heading in and the wind was up, I didn't want to take> the time to mess with it then so I took a small bungy and just gathered up> the sail and bound it to the mast so it wouldn't flap. I then resolved the> problem when I got into my slip. You could do the same thing with the jib> if you had to.> > As far as not having enough line rolled into your jib drum, it sounds to me> like the sail was loosely furled so it had not made enough revolutions to> put enough line on the drum as it was unfurled. This can happen if you> don't take care to keep some tension on the sheets as you furl the jib.> > Hank> > > On 6/29/08, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:> >> >> > Hello All,> >> > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> > mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> > for> > a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year> > old> > yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> > operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> > panel from GB to boot.> >> > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> > first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> > hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> > time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> > started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> > we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels.> >> > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> > that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried to> > head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out> > the> > sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> > stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go forward> > to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in the> > spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> > 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> > topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> > the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.> > Motor> > down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the jib> > still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> > side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> > reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen? Counter> > clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> > up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >> > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> > was> > now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and> > now> > the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> > and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened. We> > finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> > was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> > dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> > lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat amd> > went home.> >> > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly hand> > wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> > any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> > may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> > questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> > down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> > were we already in danger?> >> > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >> > Michael> > Rhodes 87', Silverside> >> > --> > View this message in context:> > http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:54:45 -0700 (PDT)> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out Michae T. a reply> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <18193074.post at talk.nabble.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > Michael:> > In an emergency a Genoa/Gib can be manually wrapped just by turning it back> onto the furler. Then use a short piece of line to tie it off so that it> does not come undone. Since you were up there already, that would have> allowed you to control the sail. Went thru this once with a CDI furler that> had lost a retaining pin in the take up reel. Easily fixed when no wind is> blowing. Save Rik's suggestions and take to boat with you.> > A boat always should have sevel lines available of various lengths for such> situations.> > Where are you in Barneget Bay? I expect to be on Long Beach Island on> Wednesday for a few hours. I will not have computer access.> > Ed K> Greenville, SC, USA> > > > > > Rik Sandberg-2 wrote:> > > > Michael,> > > > Sounds like your furling line was wrapped backwards. Take it off the > > drum the rest of the way and wind it on the other way around.> > > > Actually, it sound like you will have to take the last couple wraps off > > the drum, roll up the sail by hand, then tie the furling line back on > > the drum the right way.> > > > As you unfurl (pull the jib out) the furling line should be winding up > > on the drum.> > > > When the jib is rolled up all the way , there should still be a couple > > or three turns of line on the furler drum. You pull the jib out (pull > > the sheets) the drum fills up. Furl (pull the furling line) the jib and > > the drum empties.> > > > Good luck,> > > > Rik> > > > Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault> > > > > > > > Brad Haslett wrote:> >> Michael,> >>> >> First, I am not a sailor, I am a sailboat owner. Rummy and Wally and a> >> gazillion others can answer your questions as sailors better, but,> >> mechanical problems with mechanical devices are the given. Without> >> getting> >> into the specific mechanical issues of your problems, the first thing you> >> need to learn is how to eliminate that "big ass wing" in the breeze when> >> all> >> you want to do is just want to motor home. Read enough sailing books and> >> you'll hear a tale or two about who was running the boat - nature or me.> >> Chalk your experience up to "learning" and some old heads on the list> >> will> >> decipher your specific mechanical and sail plan issues. Anytime you> >> learn a> >> new skill it is intimidating in the initial phases, otherwise it wouldn't> >> be> >> worth learning!> >>> >> Brad> >>> >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:08 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:> >>> >> > >>> Hello All,> >>>> >>> After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> >>> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> >>> for> >>> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year> >>> old> >>> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested> >>> and> >>> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> >>> panel from GB to boot.> >>>> >>> So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> >>> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph.> >>> 2> >>> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it> >>> was> >>> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> >>> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So> >>> much> >>> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the> >>> gunnels.> >>>> >>> The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I> >>> decided> >>> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried> >>> to> >>> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out> >>> the> >>> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> >>> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go> >>> forward> >>> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in> >>> the> >>> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> >>> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> >>> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard> >>> on> >>> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.> >>> Motor> >>> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the> >>> jib> >>> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> >>> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> >>> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen?> >>> Counter> >>> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were> >>> building> >>> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >>>> >>> As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> >>> was> >>> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and> >>> now> >>> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we> >>> sailed> >>> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened.> >>> We> >>> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the> >>> marina> >>> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats> >>> and> >>> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the> >>> dock> >>> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat> >>> amd> >>> went home.> >>>> >>> What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly> >>> hand> >>> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there> >>> wasn't> >>> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that> >>> it> >>> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order?> >>> Other> >>> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> >>> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> >>> were we already in danger?> >>>> >>> Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >>>> >>> Michael> >>> Rhodes 87', Silverside> >>>> >>> --> >>> View this message in context:> >>> http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >>> __________________________________________________> >>>> >>> > >> __________________________________________________> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >> __________________________________________________> >>> >> > > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18193074.html> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:03:47 -0700 (PDT)> From: chetc <cclocksin at buckeye-express.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Introduction-soon to be new old Rhodes> owner> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <18194185.post at talk.nabble.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > Hi Mac, and welcome!> > Congrats on your decision to purchase a large hole in the water that you can> throw lot's of money into!> > Seriously though, The Rhodes is definitely a very comfortable cruiser for a> 22 foot sailboat and I think you'll really enjoy it. My brother and I just> purchased a Rhodes this season and we're really happy with it. The options> list can go on forever, but it sounds like you have some good ones in mind.> We just installed a Pop-Top enclosure, and it really opens up the cabin and> will greatly increase livability in inclement weather. As for the UPP, we> don't have it and I wish we did...the two handed, two tiller dance is> nothing new for me, but it can still be a pain in the ass. A bimini would be> a nice option and we will probably end up going that route in the future.> The lack of lifelines and stanchions on the Rhodes makes it a little more> difficult to rig up an effective boom shade in a hurry...but on the other> hand, not having those lifelines would make it much easier to get on and off> the boat if you do have a "real" bimini up. Solar panel would be GREAT. We> have a portable toilet on board...I think that it is the way to go for an> older model that doesn't have the "expanding head" feature. Easy to move it> out to the cabin or cockpit if needed to make more room for the user or to> have easier access while the double bunk is deployed. A hatch or two would> be a welcome addition on our boat (a 1986), anything would be better than> the backwards opening port design that is on there now...they collect water> and are prone to leakage.> > Anyway, good luck, and keep us posted!> > Chet> > > > > William McCready Jr. wrote:> > > > > > Just wanted to intoduce myself and to say that I have put a deposit on a> > 1990 R-22 that will be ready mid to late July. After windsurfing for 20+> > years I have decided to learn to sail sitting down and through some undue> > influence from a friend, Chris G., I have decided a Rhodes is the boat for> > me. I feel priviledged to own (soon) one of these boats. So I have a lot> > to learn- about sailing, the boat, and also how to equip the boat before> > picking her up.I live in Arnold just north of Annapolis,MD and will be> > sailing on the Magothy River (tributary of the Chesapeake Bay) and the Bay> > too. On my wish list so far I have: pop top enclosure, a solar panel, and> > am considering a hatch (or two?), a permanent head vs porti-potti, and a> > bimini, and purchasing a 8hp, high thrust,electric start, 4 stroke, Yamaha> > with 20" shaft instead of the UPP package. Any and all suggestions about> > what to put on her and how to educate myself on sailing and safety is> > appreciated. > > > > Thank you,> > Mac McCready > > > > William E.B. 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Thank> > you.> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery.> > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Introduction-soon-to-be-new-old-Rhodes-owner-tp18179954p18194185.html> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:04:56 -0400> From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What constitutes War; and quick shout> out.> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <ebee322a0806300504o214ccfd9n7e294a4b8eb3c1f at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Herb, I am not trying to speak for you...I asked you answered. Are you> changing your mind? You stated there is no such thing as an "Official> Declaration on War". so I provided you a link to a copy of same. The> proof was right in front of you. I guess you think it is a fake. You still> say there is no official declaration in spite of clear evidence to the> contrary. If that isn't close minded I don't know what is!> > I also provided quote from ex-AG Gonzales explaining the admin's position on> the resolution. Did you read it? I guess you think the quote was a fake or> not true???? I could look further and find quotes direct from Bush or> Cheney but why bother your mind is already made up. The fact is the> Constitution is vague concerning War but we have figured out how to Declare> War. There is plenty of documented evidence to support this fact.> > Oh well....you can lead a horse to water.....> > Fair Winds, Wally> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:> >> > Oh nonono, you don't get to put words in my mouth.> >> > You asked if I disagreed. That was with your definition. You have yet to> > show WHAT the Bush or Cheny thinks, nor do I accept that you are their> > spokesperson.> >> > I disagree with YOUR assertion. I haven't heard anything like that from> > the President or VP.> >> > TN Rhodey wrote:> > > Herb, I agree that the Constitution is some what vague and> > muddy....Section> > > 8 provides Congress the Power to Declare War with little specifics. So I> > > do agree the Constitution is vague. OK? However our current> > administration> > > is maintaining there is a difference. between Declaration of War and a> > War> > > Resolution. It is duly noted that you disagree. with Bush ,Cheny and the> > > ex-AG and think the two are one in the same. I actually agree with> > current> > > administration on this one....there is a difference.> > >> > > Just for the record we have officially Declared War. I will provide you> > an> > > example. See link for our official declaration of war (WW II) -> > > http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/germwar.shtml> > >> > > I am sure you can find copies of other US Declarations of War. I think we> > > have officially declared war 5 times give or take. Our War resolutions> > > have subtle and not so subtle differences from Declarations. Often there> > are> > > funding and/or time limits involved.. If you read a couple of Resolutions> > > verses Declarations of War the differences become obvious..> > >> > > Wally> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 6/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:> > >> > >> I disagree. Since there is no formal wording to a declaration of war,> > >> how can one say this is or isn't with any certainty? The waters have> > >> ALWAYS been muddied, whether you acknowledge it or not, which is the> > >> reason that the supreme court had to chime in on the matter a mere 24> > >> years after our country was founded.> > >>> > >> Since there is no "official" declaration of war, how is war declared? By> > >> an overt action? By a response to an action? Are the words "We declare> > >> war" required? Maybe we can do a Steve Martin thing and say "I make war> > >> with thee, I make war with thee, I make war with thee" and then throw> > >> dog poopie on their shoe.> > >>> > >> My point is that certain actions are recognized by most countries as> > >> "acts of war", and those actions are considered, or can be considered,> > >> by most countries as a declaration merely by their actions.> > >>> > >> Incursion into another country is considered an act of war. If that> > >> action is considered a declaration, then one could reasonably say that> > >> when congress approved that action, they were declaring war.> > >>> > >> It would be interesting, again keeping in mind that we have no official> > >> language for "declaring" war, to do a study and find how many of the> > >> congresscritters who voted for the resolution have called the results of> > >> that resolution "the Iraqi war".> > >>> > >> On the other issue, I put saying the post of said poster were> > >> "chickenshit" (though I DID miss that one) to be no more offensive than> > >> said poster referring to the posts of others to be "polluting". Sorry> > >> you missed that point.> > >>> > >>> > >> TN Rhodey wrote:> > >>> > >>> Herb, I don't know why I try. I did not comment further on the name> > >>>> > >> calling> > >>> > >>> because it wasn't your post and like I said it is silly. I thought> > Brad's> > >>> "chickenshit" comments were a little over the top. No biggie I guess we> > >>>> > >> are> > >>> > >>> all adults and no I am not trying to make any changes to the list.> > >>>> > >>> What is muddy? A quick review.....Rummy said we did not declare war. Ed> > >>>> > >> said> > >>> > >>> that the resolution was the same thing. I sided with Rummy, and> > President> > >>> Bush.....a War Resolution is different from a Declaration. Honestly> > from> > >>> your post i can not make out your position. Are you saying they are the> > >>>> > >> same> > >>> > >>> thing? For some reason you are making this more complex than it really> > >>>> > >> is.> > >>> > >>> Care to comment on our formers AG's quote? Congress did not vote to> > >>>> > >> declare> > >>> > >>> war. Congress did pass War Resolution. No value judgement here...just a> > >>> fact. There is a difference. Do you disagree? If so why?> > >>>> > >>> Because we did not declare war treaties and agreements concerning times> > >>>> > >> of> > >>> > >>> war are not in play.Do you disagree? Why?> > >>>> > >>> It is not like you to disagree with current administration so maybe I> > am> > >>> missing something.> > >>>> > >>> Well I will go back into troll mode. I really do hope some of you are> > >>> sailing.> > >>>> > >>> Wally> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> On 6/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Actually, the war powers act muddied the waters. As I stated> > previously,> > >>>> there is nothing that says what is a declaration of war. In days of> > old,> > >>>> and act of war was considered a de-facto resolution. of war. Then> > little> > >>>> skirmishes came up. A blockade here, taking of a vessel there,> > incursion> > >>>> on sovereign ground here and there. These types of actions are what> > >>>> caused the case mentioned to be taken to the SC in the 1800's. Those> > >>>> bringing the case, and cases similar to hit, said "this is war, and> > the> > >>>> constitution clearly says that congress must declare war". The war> > >>>> powers act acted on the SC decision, and actions involving "limited> > >>>> hostility" (most notably Vietnam), by saying that they, Congress, were> > >>>> going to be the ones to decide what constitutes "limited hostility".> > >>>>> > >>>> The problem is that "that side" had already said that these actions> > are> > >>>> war. So now we have Congress voting for "these actions" which were> > >>>> considered war. If/when Congress votes to allow something that they,> > and> > >>>> others, consider to be war, and Congress must vote to DECLARE war,> > well,> > >>>> I think any right thinking person can see how folks will say - you> > just> > >>>> declared war with that vote.> > >>>>> > >>>> Muddy the waters a little more with the idea that most of the> > Presidents> > >>>> since the voting of the war powers act view it as an unconstitutional> > >>>> incursion on the powers of the executive branch, and basically don't> > >>>> acknowledge its validity. Because of that, you will regularly find> > >>>> wording similar to Mr Gonzales.> > >>>>> > >>>> I you are mistaken on the current administration's stance on the> > Geneva> > >>>> convention. The stand is that the enemy combatants are members of> > >>>> terrorist groups, not members of a recognized army, and thus are not> > >>>> party to the GC.> > >>>>> > >>>> I noticed that you asserted I "missed" the name calling, but didn't> > give> > >>>> an example. I don't think any exist, care to enlighten me? There were> > >>>> some pretty silly accusations made, such as calling other posts> > >>>> "polluting"; but I didn't see the name calling.> > >>>>> > >>>> TN Rhodey wrote:> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Herb, Relax....Please re-read my post. I stated that war resolutions> > >>>>>> > >> are> > >>> > >>>> not> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> the same as a War Declaration. I was agreeing with Rummy's post.> > Please> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> note> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I didn't claim the many past and current "War" Resolutions were> > >>>>>> > >> illegal.> > >>> > >>>> I> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> really don't know how you got that from my post. I claim they are not> > >>>>>> > >> the> > >>> > >>>>> same....do you disagree? Former AG Gonzales and the current> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> administration> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> agree with me.> > >>>>>> > >>>>> To quote Gonazales before Senate Hearing 2/6/06...:GONZALES: "There> > was> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> not> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It> > >>>>>> > >> was> > >>> > >>>> an> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that,> > >>>>>> > >> because> > >>> > >>>>> there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war> > >>>>>> > >> declaration,> > >>> > >>>>> you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic> > relations.> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> And> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not> > talking> > >>>>> about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use> > military> > >>>>> force."> > >>>>>> > >>>>> I do have a problem with the US holding people in prisons for years> > >>>>>> > >> with> > >>> > >>>> no> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> trial. I did mention the recent SC ruling...do your own research> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> regarding> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> this ruling. The recent ruling did not involve the legality of the> > >>>>> Resolution and neither did my post. This is the ruling I mentioned. I> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> don't> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> think War Resolutions are illegal. Got it?> > >>>>>> > >>>>> I do think that (in most cases) if we decide to attack a country we> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> should> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> go "all in" and have Congress vote to Declare War. If past> > perforamance> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> is> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> any indication of future results....well it just seems we have better> > >>>>> results when we declare war verses "resolutions".> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Regarding childish names I don't doubt you missed them.> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Been sailing lately? Fair Winds!> > >>>>>> > >>>>> TN Rhodey - Wally> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> On 6/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> TN,> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe you could be so kind as to reference where the "official"> > >>>>>> declaration of war wording for the US can be located. In the Bas v.> > >>>>>> Tingy case in 1800, the Supreme Court clearly ruled that the> > executive> > >>>>>> branch had the power for limited action (action that would normally> > be> > >>>>>> called "an act of war") without declaration, or approval, of> > Congress.> > >>>>>> Since that ruling, there have been various instrument to attempt to> > >>>>>> quantify just how limited that limited action can be. The war powers> > >>>>>>> > >> act> > >>> > >>>>>> of 1973 was probably the best known of those attempts. No matter if> > >>>>>>> > >> you> > >>> > >>>>>> agree with Congress constitutional "right" to pass such a> > restriction> > >>>>>>> > >> on> > >>> > >>>>>> the executive branch, one thing is clear.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> The President acted within the restraint of that act.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> In 1992 Congress overwhelmingly passed a joint resolution> > authorizing> > >>>>>> the President's action.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> SC Precedent says this war is allowed, both sides of Congress> > >>>>>>> > >> authorized> > >>> > >>>>>> it, and the President acted.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> In what way do you think something was done improperly? Maybe they> > >>>>>> forgot to check with you first?> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> What childish names were called, I must have missed that one.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I still get list emails but seldom have time to read and even less> > to> > >>>>>>> respond. I will say all is well and we just paid off our home.> > Sweet!> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Some of the subjects catch my interest but I delete most withourt> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> reading.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is going to be quite an election. Brad was talking about> > voting> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> for> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> a> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Clinton, Bill E supporting a republican! Well I am sure Ed still> > >>>>>>>> > >> thinks> > >>> > >>>>>>> everyone who disagrees with him is a Socialist or commie .....> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No Ed the resolution is not the same as an actual declaration and> > >>>>>>>> > >> that> > >>> > >>>> is> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> why there is a fuss. We need to step up and declare war when we> > want> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> to> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> attack a country. However not doing so (declaring war) allows us to> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ignore> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Geneva Convention and according to current admin the constitution.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> Luckily> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the Supreme Court corrected some of this in recent decision.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes Brad it is true that thousands of POWs died in hell hole prison> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> camps> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> during Civil War. This has nothing to do with today's issues but it> > >>>>>>>> > >> is> > >>> > >>>>>>> no excuse for our current behavior. We also allowed slavery back> > then> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> right?> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> By the same logic ....should we bring slavery back. No sir we have> > >>>>>>>> > >> come> > >>> > >>>> a> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> long way as a country. There is much to like and admire about> > McCain.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> But> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> it> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> is hard to believe he has flip flopped so much on the issue of> > >>>>>>>> > >> torture> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> and> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> treatment of detainees. Using the argument that they do worse to us> > >>>>>>>> > >> is> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> not> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relevant. I don't use terrorists behavior as our standard. We are> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> better> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> than that.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My thoughts on the election...Do folks really think the Hillary's> > >>>>>>>> > >> women> > >>> > >>>>>>> supporters will not fall in line and vote for Obama? Once they> > figure> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> out> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> that Supreme Court judges and Roe Vs. Wade may be at stake they> > will> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> vote> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Democrat. The polls all show Obama ahead but there is plenty of> > time> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> for> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> either candidate to implode. Despite what they say both sides are> > in> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> bed> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> with the usual tacky lobbyist groups. Money and politics always go> > >>>>>>>> > >> hand> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> hand.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I tried hard to pick one of the big two but it looks like Bob Barr> > is> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> going> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> to get my vote.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Oh yeah.....Why did you guys jump so hard on Ron? He figured out> > what> > >>>>>>>> > >> I> > >>> > >>>>>>> figured out over a year ago. Do any of you guys even go sailing> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> anymore?> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Calling a guy childish names for deciding not get drawn into silly> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> arguments> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> with people who have already made up their minds....well it just> > >>>>>>>> > >> seems> > >>> > >>>>>>> silly.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Fair winds....I will go back into troll mode.> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> TN Rhodey> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 6/23/08, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rummy said, "Question? I don't believe that the United States has> > >>>>>>>> officially> > >>>>>>>> declared war> > >>>>>>>> on Iraq, have we? The Vietnam war wasn't a declared war either, it> > >>>>>>>>> > >> was> > >>> > >>>> a> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> "police action". Same holds true with Korea. The last declared war> > >>>>>>>>> > >> was> > >>> > >>>>>>>> WWII.> > >>>>>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I believe that the Congressional authorization against Iraq is> > >>>>>>>>> > >> legally> > >>> > >>>>>>>> considered a declaration of war. I do not believe that you find> > the> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> word> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 'declaration of war' in the subject line, but the language is> > >>>>>>>>> > >> legally> > >>> > >>>>>>>> conclusive.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That is why we still have all the fuss over that resolution.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For what it is worth department.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ed K> > >>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA> > >>>>>>>> "One of the challenges we have is to be able to read the fine> > print> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> indoors> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> without any sunlight." Kai Abelkis> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --> > >>>>>>>> View this message in context:> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> > http://www.nabble.com/What-constitutes-War--reply-to-Captain-Rummy-tp18067074p18067074.html> > >>> > >>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list> > go> > >>>>>>>>> > >> to> > >>> > >>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go> > >>>>>>>> > >> to> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go> > to> > >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >>>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go> > to> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >>>> __________________________________________________> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> __________________________________________________> > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > >>>> > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> __________________________________________________> > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > >> __________________________________________________> > >>> > >>> > > __________________________________________________> > > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > > __________________________________________________> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:13:52 -0400> From: Joe Babb <joe.babb at comcast.net>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <4868CE00.3070402 at comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Hey Rik,> I'm curious. Is it not your fault that Ayn Rand was a prophet, or not > your fault concerning a prophecy? *grin*> > Michael,> Rik has good suggestions about the furling line/drum. One other thing > to be mindful of is that there are two ways> to fasten the furling drum, one of which won't work at all. Don't ask > how I know this.> Joe> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:42:17 -0400 (EDT)> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <21619142.1214829737185.JavaMail.root at elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Michael,> > Good points from Jb. I have found it even easier to bring the jib in heading downwind. Try it out sometime before you get into a high wind situation and see if it works for you. The sail doesn't flap and flail with the wind action, which are bad distractions. My second preference (if other circumstances permit) is upwind, my last choice is while across a very heavy wind. On the furler, be aware that the sail may be wrapped in either direction. Most furlers I have seen wrap with the drum turning clockwise (looking from the top of the mast). One of my boats does this, the other wraps counter-clockwise - a determination made be a former owner. Which direction will affect the placement of the furling block on the deck and the ease of wrapping or unwrapping the sail. If you question, post a snapshot of your furling drum and block.> > With heavy winds and heavy action it is easy to overlook where you are relative to where you will want to be, so a scan pattern is important - wind, sails, heading, traffic, weather, crew/cargo, destination -over and over. Rummy might add a few items to that. Anticipation is manna - a little windy, anticipate that drink cooler, filled with ice and water, will probably spill the next time you have a sudden come about, so maybe wise to think ahead about stowing and keeping the cabin dry.> > Chow,> > Art> > > -----Original Message-----> >From: Jb <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>> >Sent: Jun 29, 2008 11:09 PM> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >> >sounds like my first time out.> > It doesn't take 20+ wind to get that jib to touch the water.> > It's also real hard to furl with that much wind unless you point into the > >wind...... which is kinda hard to do in that much wind.> >the lesson is.......don't lose your bearings and end up down wind from the > >marina when a storm is brewin.> >Jb> >"Just bent"> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MichaelT" <mticse at gmail.com>> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:08 PM> >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >> >> >>> >> Hello All,> >>> >> After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> >> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring > >> for> >> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year > >> old> >> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> >> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> >> panel from GB to boot.> >>> >> So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> >> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> >> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> >> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> >> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> >> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels.> >>> >> The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> >> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried > >> to> >> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out > >> the> >> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> >> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go > >> forward> >> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in > >> the> >> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> >> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> >> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> >> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in. > >> Motor> >> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the > >> jib> >> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> >> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> >> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen? > >> Counter> >> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> >> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >>> >> As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail > >> was> >> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and > >> now> >> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> >> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened. > >> We> >> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> >> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> >> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> >> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat > >> amd> >> went home.> >>> >> What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly > >> hand> >> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> >> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> >> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> >> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> >> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> >> were we already in danger?> >>> >> Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >>> >> Michael> >> Rhodes 87', Silverside> >>> >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >>> >> __________________________________________________> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >> __________________________________________________ > >> >__________________________________________________> >To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >__________________________________________________> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:49:43 -0500> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID: <4868D667.5060207 at gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Joe,> > Ha ha .... To get a handle on that, you kinda need to read Altas > Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Once you've read it, it'll make sense. But, it's a > long slog to get through it, about 1100 pages IIRC and when you're done > your reward will be a pretty scary vision of where our country is > headed. Plus, you'll know the answer to .... who is John Galt. :-)> > I find it interesting that many people who have read this book aren't > able to make the connection between what is going on around us now and > what the author wrote in the 50's. I guess those must be the folks who > will be staying. :-)> > Rik> > Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault> > > > Joe Babb wrote:> > Hey Rik,> > I'm curious. Is it not your fault that Ayn Rand was a prophet, or not > > your fault concerning a prophecy? *grin*> >> > Michael,> > Rik has good suggestions about the furling line/drum. One other thing > > to be mindful of is that there are two ways> > to fasten the furling drum, one of which won't work at all. Don't ask > > how I know this.> > Joe> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:59:41 -0500> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID: <4868D8BD.6090102 at gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Michael, Art,> > My experience with furling jibs is that I have been able to furl them on > any point of sail. Let some slack into the sheets and pull the sail in > with the furling line. It actually works better when there is some load > on the sail. Keeps everything tight.> > Now, the furling mains'l is another matter. Kinda need to be upwind for > that.> > Rik> > Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault> > > > Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:> > Michael,> >> > Good points from Jb. I have found it even easier to bring the jib in heading downwind. Try it out sometime before you get into a high wind situation and see if it works for you. The sail doesn't flap and flail with the wind action, which are bad distractions. My second preference (if other circumstances permit) is upwind, my last choice is while across a very heavy wind. On the furler, be aware that the sail may be wrapped in either direction. Most furlers I have seen wrap with the drum turning clockwise (looking from the top of the mast). One of my boats does this, the other wraps counter-clockwise - a determination made be a former owner. Which direction will affect the placement of the furling block on the deck and the ease of wrapping or unwrapping the sail. If you question, post a snapshot of your furling drum and block.> >> > With heavy winds and heavy action it is easy to overlook where you are relative to where you will want to be, so a scan pattern is important - wind, sails, heading, traffic, weather, crew/cargo, destination -over and over. Rummy might add a few items to that. Anticipation is manna - a little windy, anticipate that drink cooler, filled with ice and water, will probably spill the next time you have a sudden come about, so maybe wise to think ahead about stowing and keeping the cabin dry.> >> > Chow,> >> > Art> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: Jb <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>> >> Sent: Jun 29, 2008 11:09 PM> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >>> >> sounds like my first time out.> >> It doesn't take 20+ wind to get that jib to touch the water.> >> It's also real hard to furl with that much wind unless you point into the > >> wind...... which is kinda hard to do in that much wind.> >> the lesson is.......don't lose your bearings and end up down wind from the > >> marina when a storm is brewin.> >> Jb> >> "Just bent"> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "MichaelT" <mticse at gmail.com>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:08 PM> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >>> >>> >> > >>> Hello All,> >>>> >>> After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> >>> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring > >>> for> >>> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year > >>> old> >>> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> >>> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> >>> panel from GB to boot.> >>>> >>> So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> >>> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> >>> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> >>> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> >>> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> >>> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels.> >>>> >>> The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> >>> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried > >>> to> >>> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out > >>> the> >>> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> >>> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go > >>> forward> >>> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in > >>> the> >>> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> >>> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> >>> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> >>> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in. > >>> Motor> >>> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the > >>> jib> >>> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> >>> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> >>> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen? > >>> Counter> >>> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> >>> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >>>> >>> As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail > >>> was> >>> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and > >>> now> >>> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> >>> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened. > >>> We> >>> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> >>> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> >>> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> >>> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat > >>> amd> >>> went home.> >>>> >>> What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly > >>> hand> >>> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> >>> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> >>> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> >>> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> >>> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> >>> were we already in danger?> >>>> >>> Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >>>> >>> Michael> >>> Rhodes 87', Silverside> >>>> >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: > >>> http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> > >> __________________________________________________> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >> __________________________________________________> >> > >> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 11> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:10:12 -0400 (EDT)> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <22989527.1214831412186.JavaMail.root at elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Rik, Michael,> > A point I failed to mention earlier, and important - in heavier wind be sure you have tightened the backstays. It is easily overlooked. If the forestay is not tight enough, it will be more difficult to turn the furling drum in either direction. The forestay wants to be stout, not sagging. I agree, Rik, I have rarely had furling problems except in 20k+ winds. > > Art> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>> >Sent: Jun 30, 2008 8:59 AM> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >> >Michael, Art,> >> >My experience with furling jibs is that I have been able to furl them on > >any point of sail. Let some slack into the sheets and pull the sail in > >with the furling line. It actually works better when there is some load > >on the sail. Keeps everything tight.> >> >Now, the furling mains'l is another matter. Kinda need to be upwind for > >that.> >> >Rik> >> >Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault> >> >> >> >Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:> >> Michael,> >>> >> Good points from Jb. I have found it even easier to bring the jib in heading downwind. Try it out sometime before you get into a high wind situation and see if it works for you. The sail doesn't flap and flail with the wind action, which are bad distractions. My second preference (if other circumstances permit) is upwind, my last choice is while across a very heavy wind. On the furler, be aware that the sail may be wrapped in either direction. Most furlers I have seen wrap with the drum turning clockwise (looking from the top of the mast). One of my boats does this, the other wraps counter-clockwise - a determination made be a former owner. Which direction will affect the placement of the furling block on the deck and the ease of wrapping or unwrapping the sail. If you question, post a snapshot of your furling drum and block.> >>> >> With heavy winds and heavy action it is easy to overlook where you are relative to where you will want to be, so a scan pattern is important - wind, sails, heading, traffic, weather, crew/cargo, destination -over and over. Rummy might add a few items to that. Anticipation is manna - a little windy, anticipate that drink cooler, filled with ice and water, will probably spill the next time you have a sudden come about, so maybe wise to think ahead about stowing and keeping the cabin dry.> >>> >> Chow,> >>> >> Art> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> > >>> From: Jb <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>> >>> Sent: Jun 29, 2008 11:09 PM> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >>>> >>> sounds like my first time out.> >>> It doesn't take 20+ wind to get that jib to touch the water.> >>> It's also real hard to furl with that much wind unless you point into the > >>> wind...... which is kinda hard to do in that much wind.> >>> the lesson is.......don't lose your bearings and end up down wind from the > >>> marina when a storm is brewin.> >>> Jb> >>> "Just bent"> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "MichaelT" <mticse at gmail.com>> >>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:08 PM> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>> Hello All,> >>>>> >>>> After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> >>>> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring > >>>> for> >>>> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year > >>>> old> >>>> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> >>>> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> >>>> panel from GB to boot.> >>>>> >>>> So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> >>>> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> >>>> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> >>>> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> >>>> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> >>>> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels.> >>>>> >>>> The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> >>>> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried > >>>> to> >>>> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out > >>>> the> >>>> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> >>>> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go > >>>> forward> >>>> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in > >>>> the> >>>> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> >>>> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> >>>> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> >>>> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in. > >>>> Motor> >>>> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the > >>>> jib> >>>> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> >>>> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> >>>> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen? > >>>> Counter> >>>> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> >>>> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >>>>> >>>> As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail > >>>> was> >>>> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and > >>>> now> >>>> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> >>>> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened. > >>>> We> >>>> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> >>>> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> >>>> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> >>>> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat > >>>> amd> >>>> went home.> >>>>> >>>> What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly > >>>> hand> >>>> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> >>>> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> >>>> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> >>>> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> >>>> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> >>>> were we already in danger?> >>>>> >>>> Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >>>>> >>>> Michael> >>>> Rhodes 87', Silverside> >>>>> >>>> -- > >>>> View this message in context: > >>>> http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> >>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >>>> __________________________________________________ > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >>> __________________________________________________> >>> > >>> >> __________________________________________________> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >> __________________________________________________> >>> >> > >__________________________________________________> >To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list> >__________________________________________________> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 12> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:34:29 EDT> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <c9c.271da34f.359a3ae5 at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Michael,> Tightening stays under load is not recommended. Loosen all stays at dock (no > sails out) and tighten correctly. You can find many suggestions, many very > detailed in the archives.> > Rummy> > > In a message dated 6/29/2008 10:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mticse at gmail.com writes:> > > Hello All,> > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring for> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year old> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> panel from GB to boot.> > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels. > > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried to> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out the> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go forward> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in the> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in. Motor> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the jib> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen? Counter> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail was> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and now> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened. We> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat amd> went home.> > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly hand> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> were we already in danger?> > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> > Michael> Rhodes 87', Silverside> > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > __________________________________________________> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> __________________________________________________> > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 13> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:34:43 -0700 (PDT)> From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchor locker - dumb questions> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <18195837.post at talk.nabble.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > Mike,> > I store my primary anchor and rode in the lazarette, but I rarely anchor. A> laundry basket under the cockpit seat sounds like the way to go.> > I store my secondary anchor on the bow pulpit, detached from the chain rode.> > I store my secondary rope and chain rode in the anchor locker with the open> air scoop. We've had some major blowing rain but I've never found standing> water in the locker. I assume the rope has sucked up what little moisture> gets in there and then it evaporates quickly.> > Stan admits the anchor locker isn't his most practical design and recommends> an anchor/rode bag if you want to store everything on the bow. It only> takes one time trying to jam your rode into the locker to figure out that> there's got to be a better way.> > I don't know how much ventilation the air scoop creates, but I don't get the> mold and mildew problems that most of my friends get on their boats. I> think the gap between the companionway door and the poptop slider helps a> lot.> > Lee> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease> Kent Island, MD> > > Mike Cheung wrote:> > > > Is the anchor locker drained? I'm guessing it must be or the air scoop> > could drain water into the cabin. > > > > What does one do with the anchor chain if one uses the anchor locker to> > store the rode? Is there any way to fasten the end of the rode (inside> > the anchor locker?) so the whole thing can't accidentally run out?> > > > Guess I should have crawled around Stan's rental Rhodes while we were> > there earlier. I was up there making sure our Montagues would fit there> > folded (that looks like a slam dunk).> > > > Thanks! Mike Cheung> > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-tp18156518p18195837.html> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 14> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:38:19 EDT> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Demo/Repub! Political humor.> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <c27.3ce78e74.359a3bcb at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > > > > > > > > > > > A little girl wants to be president> > A little girl in our neighborhood named Catherine told me that she wanted to > be> President one day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing> there with us - and I asked Catherine - "If you were President, what would> be the first thing you would do?" > > Catherine replied - "I would give houses to all the homeless people." > > "Wow, what a worthy goal you have there Catherine." I told her (while both> parents beamed), "but, you don't have to wait until you're President to do > that. You can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the > back > yard and I will pay you $5 dollars. 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(http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 15> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:15:43 -0400> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <c319c8b50806300715r72a53135h4d855c59f38935d9 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Rummy,> > He is talking about tightening the adjustable backstay. It is certainly> acceptable to tighten this under load.> > Han> > > On 6/30/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:> >> > Michael,> > Tightening stays under load is not recommended. Loosen all stays at> > dock (no> > sails out) and tighten correctly. You can find many suggestions, many very> > detailed in the archives.> >> > Rummy> >> >> > In a message dated 6/29/2008 10:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > mticse at gmail.com writes:> >> >> > Hello All,> >> > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> > mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> > for> > a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year> > old> > yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested and> > operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> > panel from GB to boot.> >> > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> > first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> > hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> > time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> > started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> > we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels.> >> > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> > that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried> > to> > head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out> > the> > sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> > stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I> > go forward> > to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in> > the> > spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> > 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> > topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard on> > the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.> > Motor> > down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the> > jib> > still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> > side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> > reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen?> > Counter> > clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were building> > up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >> > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> > was> > now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and> > now> > the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we sailed> > and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened.> > We> > finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the marina> > was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats and> > dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the dock> > lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat> > amd> > went home.> >> > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly> > hand> > wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there wasn't> > any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that it> > may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order? Other> > questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> > down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> > were we already in danger?> >> > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >> > Michael> > Rhodes 87', Silverside> >> > --> > View this message in context:> > http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> >> >> >> >> > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for> > fuel-efficient used cars. (> > http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 16> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:39:37 -0400> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID: <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C360D23003 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Michael,> > I'm sure your story sounds familiar to a lot of us. The Rhodes22 is an> incredibly easy boat to sail in winds less than 10 knots. It's an easy> boat to sail in winds between 10 and 20 knots, if you've had a lot of> experience sailing it in those winds. After 20 knots, it becomes more> work than fun if you want to try to sail upwind.> > "Wind was 5-10 mph."> The more I sail, the less sail I use. On a beam or close reach, at 7-8> knots the 175 Genoa will start to create too much heel for optimal> speed. If you're heeling more than 10 degrees, you will probably be> able to go faster with less sail. Once you've heeled over so far that> most of your rudder is out of the water, you start approaching a broach> and don't have enough speed and control to head in or out of the wind.> Having the centerboard down does help to a point. Too much sail can be> fun, but it certainly makes things more difficult to control.> > "We let out the> sheets to steady the boat."> You knew what you were doing. You can't furl that big Genoa back in> unless you take the pressure off of it. If you can't do that by heading> into the wind, you need to loosen the sheets. Ideally you want put> light pressure on the sheet/sail while furling it in so it wraps tight> enough that the UV protector covers the sail. In an emergency, just> furl in the flapping sail and worry about perfect furling later.> > If you have a new CDI furler, the instructions state that you should> have the furling line wrapped about 5 times around the drum when the 175> if fully deployed. You really only need it wrapped around once so the> thing will turn when you pull it, but yours obviously wasn't wrapped> around at all. If you have the CDI furling line that comes with the> furler, don't wrap it more than 5 times or you won't have enough furling> line to allow your 175 to fully deploy--the bitter end of your furling> line would need to be let out beyond your cam cleat. Stan gives you a> much longer furling line than the one provided by CDI, which alleviates> this problem.> > My furler is set-up to wind the sail back in clockwise, and furls back> in slightly better on a starboard tack. As Art stated, you can set it> up to furl either way. However, UV protection is sewn on the port side> of the sail, which means you need it to furl back in clockwise. Either> Art doesn't have UV protection on his counterclockwise furling Genoa, or> he is thinking like a Navy man (go Army!).> > Good luck and don't let this minor mishap take the fun out of your> sailing. If you're like me, this won't be your last exciting challenge.> I don't know who coined the phrase "sh** happens," but it must have been> a sailor.> > Lee> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease> Kent Island, MD > > -----Original Message-----> From: MichaelT [mailto:mticse at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:09 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> > > Hello All,> > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> for> a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year> old> yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested> and> operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> panel from GB to boot.> > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph.> 2> hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it> was> time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So> much> we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the> gunnels. > > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I> decided> that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried> to> head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out> the> sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go> forward> to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in> the> spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard> on> the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.> Motor> down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the> jib> still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen?> Counter> clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were> building> up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> was> now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and> now> the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we> sailed> and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened.> We> finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the> marina> was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats> and> dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the> dock> lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat> amd> went home.> > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly> hand> wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there> wasn't> any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that> it> may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order?> Other> questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> were we already in danger?> > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> > Michael> Rhodes 87', Silverside> > -- > View this message in context:> http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 17> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:48:53 -0400> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Message-ID:> <c319c8b50806300748m657e3d7cv64848f5b676d0ce7 at mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Lee,> > You stated:> > If you have a new CDI furler, the instructions state that you should> have the furling line wrapped about 5 times around the drum when the 175> if fully deployed.> > Actually, that should be wrapped around 5 times (more like 2-3) when the> sail is furled, not deployed. As the sail is deployed, the furling line> will be taken up on the furler reel so that it will have many wraps so you> can furl the sail back up.> > Also, the UV can be installed on either side of the sail. Yours happens to> be on the port side. I think mine is on the starboard. The furler should> be adjusted based upon the sail.> > Hank> > > On 6/30/08, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:> >> > Michael,> >> > I'm sure your story sounds familiar to a lot of us. The Rhodes22 is an> > incredibly easy boat to sail in winds less than 10 knots. It's an easy> > boat to sail in winds between 10 and 20 knots, if you've had a lot of> > experience sailing it in those winds. After 20 knots, it becomes more> > work than fun if you want to try to sail upwind.> >> > "Wind was 5-10 mph."> > The more I sail, the less sail I use. On a beam or close reach, at 7-8> > knots the 175 Genoa will start to create too much heel for optimal> > speed. If you're heeling more than 10 degrees, you will probably be> > able to go faster with less sail. Once you've heeled over so far that> > most of your rudder is out of the water, you start approaching a broach> > and don't have enough speed and control to head in or out of the wind.> > Having the centerboard down does help to a point. Too much sail can be> > fun, but it certainly makes things more difficult to control.> >> > "We let out the> > sheets to steady the boat."> > You knew what you were doing. You can't furl that big Genoa back in> > unless you take the pressure off of it. If you can't do that by heading> > into the wind, you need to loosen the sheets. Ideally you want put> > light pressure on the sheet/sail while furling it in so it wraps tight> > enough that the UV protector covers the sail. In an emergency, just> > furl in the flapping sail and worry about perfect furling later.> >> > If you have a new CDI furler, the instructions state that you should> > have the furling line wrapped about 5 times around the drum when the 175> > if fully deployed. You really only need it wrapped around once so the> > thing will turn when you pull it, but yours obviously wasn't wrapped> > around at all. If you have the CDI furling line that comes with the> > furler, don't wrap it more than 5 times or you won't have enough furling> > line to allow your 175 to fully deploy--the bitter end of your furling> > line would need to be let out beyond your cam cleat. Stan gives you a> > much longer furling line than the one provided by CDI, which alleviates> > this problem.> >> > My furler is set-up to wind the sail back in clockwise, and furls back> > in slightly better on a starboard tack. As Art stated, you can set it> > up to furl either way. However, UV protection is sewn on the port side> > of the sail, which means you need it to furl back in clockwise. Either> > Art doesn't have UV protection on his counterclockwise furling Genoa, or> > he is thinking like a Navy man (go Army!).> >> > Good luck and don't let this minor mishap take the fun out of your> > sailing. If you're like me, this won't be your last exciting challenge.> > I don't know who coined the phrase "sh** happens," but it must have been> > a sailor.> >> > Lee> > 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease> > Kent Island, MD> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: MichaelT [mailto:mticse at gmail.com]> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:09 PM> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> >> >> > Hello All,> >> > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> > mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> > for> > a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20 year> > old> > yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested> > and> > operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a solar> > panel from GB to boot.> >> > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> > first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph.> > 2> > hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it> > was> > time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> > started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So> > much> > we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the> > gunnels.> >> > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I> > decided> > that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried> > to> > head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let out> > the> > sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is> > stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go> > forward> > to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line in> > the> > spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in about> > 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted the> > topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled hard> > on> > the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.> > Motor> > down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring, the> > jib> > still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the starboard> > side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was> > reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen?> > Counter> > clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were> > building> > up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.> >> > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> > was> > now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over and> > now> > the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we> > sailed> > and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat flattened.> > We> > finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the> > marina> > was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats> > and> > dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the> > dock> > lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the boat> > amd> > went home.> >> > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly> > hand> > wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there> > wasn't> > any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down that> > it> > may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order?> > Other> > questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board was> > down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water or> > were we already in danger?> >> > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> >> > Michael> > Rhodes 87', Silverside> >> > --> > View this message in context:> > http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18187630.html> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >> >> > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is> > for the sole use of the intended> > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any> > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.> > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply> > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.> >> >> > __________________________________________________> > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 18> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT)> From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Message-ID: <18197609.post at talk.nabble.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > > Hi Mike,> > Glad to see you made it back in one piece. Sailing is a hobby where the> Boy Scouts motto "be prepared" is definitely applicable. A bucket of ropes> and bungies (shock cord) in various lengths can be a big plus in the event> something decides to malfunction. Murphy (of Muphys' law) was probably a> sailor and O'Toole (who has made comments on Murphys' law) skippered the> boat. The 175 Genoa is a very versatile sail but in winds over 10 mph should> probably be partially furled in especially for a newbie. this will move the> center of effort to the stern and give you more weather helm and in high> winds the sails should be set as tight and flat as possible. This should> reduce heeling and impart more drive to the boat. If I may be so bold I> would recommend "Sails and Rig Tuning" by Ivar Dedekam and the DVD "Sailing> with confidence" both available by West Marine. Also check out U-Tube do a> search using "sailing lessons" and you will find many small videos on how to> sail. This is my first year sailing too and I have found these publications> very helpful in imparting confidence and knowledge.> > Good Luck and have fun> John Shulick> Pgh Pa. 71 Rhodes Continental "Delilah"> > > MichaelT wrote:> > > > Hello All,> > > > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down the> > mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and pre-wiring> > for a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20> > year old yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights> > tested and operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And> > a solar panel from GB to boot.> > > > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being my> > first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10 mph. 2> > hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it was> > time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and> > started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So much> > we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the gunnels. > > > > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I decided> > that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We tried> > to head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let> > out the sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib> > is stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go> > forward to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any> > line in the spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll> > in about 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom,> > lifted the topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and> > pulled hard on the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail> > furled in. Motor down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind> > motoring, the jib still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles> > on the starboard side was being turned loose from the flapping jib.> > Turnbuckles was reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way> > to tighen? Counter clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays.> > Swells were building up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught> > air.> > > > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of sail> > was now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over> > and now the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we> > sailed and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat> > flattened. We finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare> > as the marina was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started> > raining cats and dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up.> > Secured the dock lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just> > left the boat amd went home.> > > > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly> > hand wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there> > wasn't any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down> > that it may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in> > order? Other questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center> > board was down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch> > water or were we already in danger?> > > > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...> > > > Michael> > Rhodes 87', Silverside> > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/First-Time-Out-tp18187630p18197609.html> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Rhodes22-list mailing list> Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list> > > End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 1541, Issue 1> **********************************************
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