[Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in side&forwardbilges; Reply...
andrew collins
engineerpac at gmail.com
Sun Jul 6 22:27:41 EDT 2008
Rummy and Stan
The partition to port was solid layup fg about 1/8 of an inch thick. The one
forward of the cb trunk bilge compartment is marine ply or similar about
3/8" thick, glassed on the forward side only. I do not know if this is a
stringer, it is a support for the floor in front of the V berth and the
head. This one might want a resin 'schmear' at the end of the season.
The starboard one is 1" thick, and already has a 3/4" diameter hole in it.
Water update: no more salt or fresh, bilges are dry. Rain is on the way, so
I will see if any comes in from the top.
On 7/4/08, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> stringers are fiberglass on new boats and on some recycled boats
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in
> side&forwardbilges; Reply...
>
>
> > Andrew,
> > Am I to understand that you actually drilled holes in the stringers? If
> > this
> > is what you have done, did you do anything to seal the now exposed wood?
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/2/2008 12:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > engineerpac at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > No, the sink drain goes directly out the hull above the waterline. A
> > valve
> > there sounds like a good idea.
> >
> > The genoa restraining tie is a practice I am adopting as of now. My
> > mooring
> > location is one of swirling winds and at times the south-facing harbor
> > mouth
> > allows the wind to come in unobstructed. Should the genoa get loose,
> > there
> > would be havoc as the adjacent moorings are occupied by 30-40 footers
> all
> > worth 10 times what mine is worth, and then there rocks.
> >
> > A check of the water tank showed that it did not spill much of anything,
> > but
> > the ball check vent on it is only a vent, no ball.
> > I drilled holes laterally into the adjacent bilge compartments and this
> > helps the drainage into the center compartment. The forward compartment
> > is
> > lower than the one containing the CB trunk, but the water can be sponged
> > from there. Sitting in the back of the boat for a while brings it out.
> So
> > progress is being made and all the compartments are now only damp.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Michael D. Weisner <
> mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> The more I read about this "knock down" while moored, the more it
> sounds
> >> like water that came in the sink line and ran backwards into the bilge
> >> through a bilge pump with a bad check valve. Do you have a pump
> >> connected
> >> to the sink discharge line?
> >>
> >> A few years ago, the harbormaster called me to inform me that my Rhodes
> >> went
> >> sailing without me and was heeled over with the Genoa fully deployed,
> >> at
> >> anchor. It seems that the Genoa unfurled and developed enough force to
> >> drag
> >> our 200 lb. mushroom anchor out of the mud and about 500 feet! When I
> >> got
> >> on board, she was far enough over to starboard that the sink line was
> in
> >> the
> >> water and we had taken on water through the bilge pump. A new pump
> >> solved
> >> that problem and I never leave her without securing 2 sail ties around
> >> the
> >> Genoa to prevent deployment even if the furling line breaks.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "andrew collins" <engineerpac at gmail.com>Sent: Tuesday, July 01,
> >> 2008
> >> 5:16 PM
> >> > Rummy
> >> >
> >> > It was a mix of salt and fresh. My water tank has an air vent valve
> >> > with
> >> a
> >> > little float in it, so that should have prevented the tank from
> >> > emptying
> >> > much. My curiosity is now piqued so I will visit the boat tonight and
> >> > check
> >> > the water level in the tank. Then I might have to go sailing.
> >> >
> >> > As mentioned, the carpet, cushions, etc were dry, so the pop top did
> >> > not
> >> > admit much of anything.
> >> >
> >> > The ports are also not suspects as the galley counter had paper and
> >> > rags
> >> > on
> >> > it- all dry, cushions all dry. My money is on the hull deck joint,
> and
> >> > I
> >> > solemnly promise to search the archives for the caulking procedure
> and
> >> > to
> >> > change the subject line if I have anything to add after searching. Of
> >> > course, I am also not going to do anything without calling Stan!
> >> >
> >> > Now, tell us about the time you laid her on her side ...I only ask in
> >> > order
> >> > to avoid doing the same. Was it a broach?
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:48 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I just had another thought. The time that I laid Rum Runner over on
> >> >> her
> >> >> side
> >> >> while under sail, water did come into the cabin over the deck. With
> >> >> the
> >> >> pop
> >> >> top in the lower position, it could allow water to enter the cabin.
> >> >> With
> >> >> 80
> >> >> mph winds, it could also just blow in. The pop top isn't sealed
> >> >> tight
> >> to
> >> >> the
> >> >> deck.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rummy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> >> R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew,
> >> >> Speaking from first hand experience, I can assure you that when
> laid
> >> >> over,
> >> >> the sink drain is indeed in the water. I do not know if it would
> >> >> allow
> >> >> water
> >> >>
> >> >> into the cabin because it would depend on the height of the sink
> at
> >> that
> >> >> angle.
> >> >> My guess would be that the water came in from the hull/deck joint.
> >> >> It's
> >> >> an
> >> >> easy thing to fix. Once again, it's been covered many times on
> this
> >> >> list,
> >> >> but
> >> >> if you can't find anything in the archives, I will be glad to
> >> >> repeat
> >> >> the
> >> >> instructions I got from Sir Stanley.
> >> >> Another source of water could be your water tank. It has an air
> >> >> valve
> >> >> that
> >> >> could let water out when laid over. Do you know if the water in the
> >> >> bilge
> >> >> was
> >> >> salt water or fresh water?????
> >> >>
> >> >> Rummy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> >> engineerpac at gmail.com writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> Rob
> >> >>
> >> >> Backflow through the sink is possible as it is open, but the
> > increased
> >> >> flotation when the flare is in the water would probably still keep
> >> >> the
> >> >> drain
> >> >> at some height above the water.
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Andrew,
> >> >> > If it's the starboard side and it was a knock down situation,
> how
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > backflow through the sink drain? - rob
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >> >> collins
> >> >> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:51 PM
> >> >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth? Water in side
> >> &
> >> >> > forwardbilges; Reply to Andrew, Michael C et al...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > MJM and Ed
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The water is behaving as Michael described. The bilge is now dry
> >> with
> >> >> > very
> >> >> > little water seeping in from the adjacent bilge compartments, so
> >> >> > happiness
> >> >> > abounds. Three or four 1/4" holes thru the partitions from the
> > bilge
> >> >> to
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > forward and port compartments will speed up drtainage if it
> >> >> > happens
> >> >> > again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The boat is a 1986 recycled in 2006. Leakage has historically
> >> >> > been
> >> >> > wind
> >> >> > driven rain into the starboard hatch and under the pop top, but
> > this
> >> >> > last
> >> >> > one only when on the trailer. My guess is that the wind builds
> up
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > wavelet at the pop top and manages to push it over the lip. The
> >> >> > amount
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > not worth worrying about.
> >> >> > All thru hull fittings are closed and connections are dry. New
> >> >> > hoses
> >> >> > were
> >> >> > fitted this year.
> >> >> > The source of water from the knock down: now wouldn't I like to
> >> know!
> >> >> > From
> >> >> > drip marks and debris trails on the interior of the hull under
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > galley
> >> >> > counter, I reckon it was on its starboard side (also the port
> >> >> > fender
> >> >> was
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the cockpit). So the hull deck joint is the prime suspect, and
> >> >> > this
> >> >> will
> >> >> > get
> >> >> > inspected in the fall. No water seemed to come in through ports,
> >> >> > hatches, or
> >> >> > companionway, the carpet was dry ... so the forensic effort CSI
> >> Grass
> >> >> > Island is ended.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I will search the archives for the deck-hull connection info
> >> >> > and/or
> >> >> > caulking
> >> >> > procedure.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks for the advice.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Andrew
> >> >> > s/v Carmen
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andrew & Michael C:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andrew, I do not remember where you are or what year your boat
> >> >> > > is.
> >> >> A
> >> >> > > little
> >> >> > > more information would be helpful. Regardless, you need to
> >> >> > immediately
> >> >> > > determine the source of the water.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Possible sources include the vent that Michael C keeps asking
> >> >> > > about.
> >> >> > Or,
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > > it your fresh water tank or hoses and connections to it? A
> >> >> > > search
> >> >> > > of
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > archives might reveal where another boat needed a new tank or
> >> hoses
> >> >> > (for
> >> >> > > sure). This issue needs to be addressed before you sustain
> >> >> > water
> >> >> > damage.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Michael C - the shelf is where it was... yes, it can catch
> >> stray
> >> >> drops
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > > water. The idea was not mine, so there are other Nicro vents
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > there on
> >> >> > > Rhodes 22's. What they did with their trays is a question
> >> >> > > waiting
> >> >> for
> >> >> > an
> >> >> > > answer.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > About the list answering questions lately, there are reasons
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > failure
> >> >> > > of the list to appropriately and quickly respond
> to questions.
> >> >> > This
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > > prime vacation time. There are several members of the forum
> on
> >> >> > vacation
> >> >> > > this week and others getting ready to go next week.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Then there are the archives and newbies need to use them.
> >> Older
> >> >> > members
> >> >> > > have answered the same questions many times. I joined this
> > motley
> >> >> > crew in
> >> >> > > the last century. At a point some just get tired of typing
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > same
> >> >> > words
> >> >> > > and answers, so use the archives to do simple research. If
> you
> >> >> > > do
> >> >> not
> >> >> > know
> >> >> > > how, ask.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Then another answer is political. This forum has a
> >> >> > > predominance
> >> of
> >> >> > social
> >> >> > > democrats and beltway bureaucrats who talk a good deed but
> >> >> > > stumble
> >> >> > > on
> >> >> > > routine blue collar help. The exception is the signee who
> >> >> > > claims
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > be an
> >> >> > > enlightened capitalist. The help that this list has given is
> >> >> > gratuitous.
> >> >> > > Unfortunately many recipients' of the help, no longer nor
> maybe
> >> >> never
> >> >> > have,
> >> >> > > feel any obligation to continue the gift.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Furthermore, there are those who ascribe to keeping the list
> >> >> > > email
> >> >> > volume
> >> >> > > low. The failure to do so has irritated them that they no
> >> longer
> >> >> > > subscribe.
> >> >> > > While this is a loss, it is really a demonstration of a short
> >> >> > > fuse
> >> >> > > or
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > above stated failure to continue the gift.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Andrew, I encourage you to repost your questions and research
> >> >> the
> >> >> > archives.
> >> >> > > Again, find the source of the water problem.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ed K
> >> >> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > View this message in context:
> >> >> > >
> >> http://www.nabble.com/Water-Under-V-Berth--tp18164488p18179820.html
> >> >> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >> > >
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