[Rhodes22-list] Information gathering
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 23 09:36:19 EDT 2008
Hank,
Do you have any idea how many fights I broke up when I was at the high school?? (guys only...I wouldn't go near a girls' fight!)
I've taught 4th -12 grades....this feels just like being back in school...hahaha
;^)
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information gathering
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 9:21 AM
> Wow! I wish I'd had someone like you as a teacher when
> I was in school.
> Very well put!
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 7/23/08, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rummy,
> >
> > Communities change and grow in directions influenced
> by their deinzens.
> >
> > The tone of 'da list' has become quite more
> abrasive and bullying than it
> > was before I joined...& i lurked for quite a long
> time before my first
> > posting.
> >
> > Yahoo has an integrated address book w/in its mail
> program...I occasionally
> > go thru it & delete duplicate addresses...I did
> this address the other
> > day....and was really surprised at the number of names
> that were frequent
> > posters back when I was lurking but haven't been
> heard of for quite a while.
> >
> > If this list doesn't grow, it will collapse under
> the weight of the bully
> > rhetoric. It is my opinion that the tone has changed
> BECAUSE there is very
> > little new input...the newbies don't stick around
> for civility to take
> > over. They have no idea that it is any different than
> the snapshot they see.
> >
> > There will be no fresh ideas w/o fresh faces.....and
> once you guys finish
> > beating up on each other...what will be left? Wait
> for another election to
> > start over again? That'll get old for you guys,
> too.
> >
> > The list does sit dormant now for a day or so...often
> after an acrimonious
> > beating......
> >
> > The founding fellas of 'da list' are 'way
> past the need for sailing advice
> > other than the "Hey, wouldja lookit this"
> type posting.....it's the newbies
> > that keep you rethinking technique and methods w/their
> questions....
> >
> > So either 'da list' will become a closed
> community of a few who beat up on
> > each other for sport, or it will be an
> 'interesting' place to hang around
> > for info on sailing & whatever floats by.
> >
> > Whatever....
> >
> > elle
> >
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/23/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com
> <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information
> gathering
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 7:59 AM
> > > Arthur,
> > > As has been stated previously, this list was
> started
> > > because we wanted to be
> > > able to post pictures and not have to worry about
> a sailnet
> > > moderator
> > > stepping in to control our conversations. With
> all due
> > > respect, you are very new to
> > > all of us and I don't believe that you are in
> a
> > > position to decide where the
> > > list should go or how it should be run. This is a
> > > community. We have a
> > > charter and when someone steps over the bounds
> of the
> > > charter, we police ourselves.
> > > Yes, I am concerned that a poll from 268 non
> participating
> > > people would lead
> > > us in a direction the original founders and
> participating
> > > members of this
> > > list don't want it to go in. We have lost a
> few people
> > > over the years, but the
> > > list is still strong with a large knowledge base
> and we
> > > will continue this
> > > way for many years. Read the charter. Understand
> it and if
> > > you think someone
> > > has stepped over the line, call them on it, but
> leave this
> > > site the way it is.
> > >
> > > Rummy said that.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/22/2008 9:54:41 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight
> > > Time,
> > > czerwonky at earthlink.net writes:
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I have no objection to having a poll. Rummy, are
> you
> > > worried what results
> > > will show? Stan has sent potential skippers to
> the list
> > > as a promotional
> > > witness, I have some doubts about whether it
> helps his
> > > efforts. I think the
> > > prime objective for those subscribing to the list
> is
> > > building their sailing
> > > knowledge and cohesion in the fleet. The often
> exagerated
> > > and pointless emotion
> > > and language may provide a momentary email
> thrill, but
> > > face it folks, there
> > > are better ways to get the points across.
> > >
> > > A poll could have distorted for sure, but not
> only because
> > > of the votes of
> > > new skippers who are sick of political posturing,
> but due
> > > to the loss over
> > > time of excellent former members who were sick of
> the
> > > bickering and were labeled
> > > as internet police and the like, just for
> expressing their
> > > feelings
> > > honestly. Numerous newbies and veterans have
> been treated
> > > in this way.
> > >
> > > It has been suggested that the Rhodes 22 sailing
> advocates
> > > post their
> > > messages on Sailnet or some other forum instead
> of this
> > > one. I suggest that
> > > Rhodes22.org is by definition a Rhodes22 sailing
> site, and
> > > that if someone really
> > > wants to post political swill, they should have
> no right
> > > to soil the Rhodes22
> > > skipper list or the Rhodes 22 name. Maybe a
> more
> > > appropriate site should be
> > > their destination when they lose control.
> > >
> > > Nothing wrong with meaningful political
> insights, but in
> > > the tone and manner
> > > I have seen, it is just way overdone.
> > >
> > > I refer back to sometimes comments about an
> unnamed member
> > > of our fleet -
> > > those who cannot get their point across in a
> civil way are
> > > demonstrating their
> > > 'mounting problems' to everyone now or
> later who
> > > reads about our Rhodes 22
> > > boat and fleet. Some legacy we help provide to
> Stan. As
> > > he has gotten into
> > > some of the dialogue, I have not seen a need by
> him to be
> > > foul in doing so.
> > > Maybe we could follow his example...
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >Sent: Jul 22, 2008 7:04 PM
> > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Information
> gathering
> > > >
> > > >John,
> > > >Taking a poll is a lousy idea. You are
> giving people
> > > that have never and
> > > >probably will never add anything to the list
> decide
> > > what direction we go
> > > in. I
> > > >think if anyone wanted to, they could
> certainly
> > > express their opinions
> > > freely
> > > >on da list. I think the majority of the
> people like it
> > > just fine. Everyone
> > > >knows how to use the delete button. There
> are times
> > > when I don't have the
> > > time
> > > >to read all posts, but will sift through
> the ones
> > > that are sailing related.
> > > >
> > > >Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >In a message dated 7/22/2008 4:58:17 P.M.
> Eastern
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > >jlock at relevantarts.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >At 04:25 PM 7/22/2008 -0400, Michael D.
> Weisner
> > > wrote:
> > > >>I wonder if we can try to solve the
> problem a bit
> > > differently than
> > > chasing
> > > >>otherwise good folks off the list.
> Maybe John
> > > can set up a third
> > > >>distribution mode in addition to
> > > "Non-digested" and
> "Digested",
> > > something
> > > >>called "Sailing limited"
> which would
> > > only receive items of sailing
> > > interest.
> > > >>Maybe we could use a prefixed subject
> line
> > > modifier such as "Sailing:" to
> > > >>direct these posts to the limited list
> as well as
> > > the general list.
> > > >>Forgetting to add the subject line
> modifier will
> > > only affect those who do
> > > >>not wish to be on "da list",
> not the
> > > rest of us. John, is such a thing
> > > >>doable?
> > > >
> > > >Doable, but probably not practical. Besides
> the
> > > programing involved,
> > > >it depends on the poster remembering to
> place the
> > > magic word in the
> > > >subject line. We all know how well THAT
> works!
> > > >
> > > >Seriously... before we can discuss making
> any changes,
> > > we need more
> > > >information. Right now we have no sense of
> what the
> > > majority
> > > >wants. We've heard from the usual
> suspects on
> > > what they want, but
> > > >there are 268 list members; most of whom
> have not
> > > stated a preference.
> > > >
> > > >We might assume that everything is
> hunky-dory, since
> > > we don't have
> > > >268 complaints. But that may be because no
> good
> > > alternatives have
> > > >been proposed.
> > > >
> > > >I'd like to suggest a simple poll. I
> can whip
> > > one up in a few
> > > >minutes and post the URL to the list.
> We'll run
> > > it for a couple
> > > >weeks and see what kind of stats come out.
> Might be
> > > interesting to
> > > >have some facts to kick around... yes?
> > > >
> > > >Cheers!
> > > >
> > > >John Lock
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> > > >Lake Sinclair, GA
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > >
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