[Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America Campaign)
Rik Sandberg
sanderico1 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 7 07:20:43 EDT 2008
John,
Is it even permissible to use the words intelligent and government in
the same sentence?? :-) :-)
Rik
In a centrally planned economy people get what they deserve, but rarely what they really want. Mistakes tend to be enormous...and petty. Results vary, but experiments with central planning always end in pathetic messes.....Bill Bonner
john Belanger wrote:
> i should have said intelligent government. sorry.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America Campaign)
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 7:03 AM
>> John,
>>
>> "and *perhaps false hope*, is that government is
>> supposed to maintain a level playing field for all citizens
>> in their "pursuit" of happiness."
>>
>> All one has to do is look at the situation we are in now,
>> (the last 5 years) to realize that your dream of a level
>> playing field via gov't control is just exactly that
>> ... a dream and not a very good one at that.
>>
>> Money flows to where it gets treated the best. When prices
>> are artificially high or low that flow can become a flood.
>> Had the gov't stayed out of the banking business for
>> example and let interest rates assume their own natural
>> level, we wouldn't be seeing the collapse of a housing
>> bubble now. Instead we have mega-wealthy bankers who are
>> not held responsible for their own foolishness, a currency
>> that is fast becoming useless and 4 dollar gas, just to
>> name a few. Was that the help ... the level playing field
>> you were hoping for? That's what your gov'ts
>> meddling is doing for you.
>>
>> Rik
>>
>>
>> In a centrally planned economy people get what they
>> deserve, but rarely what they really want. Mistakes tend to
>> be enormous...and petty. Results vary, but experiments with
>> central planning always end in pathetic messes.....Bill
>> Bonner
>>
>>
>>
>> john Belanger wrote:
>>
>>> brad
>>> just one question:
>>> how can you have so much confidence in the private
>>>
>> sector, and yet describe them this way:
>>
>>> "I think most of the electorate is ignorant of
>>>
>> history, economics, and politics, but that's just the
>> mean-spirited, selfish, and reality-based side of me
>> coming out."
>>
>>> my belief, and perhaps false hope, is that government
>>>
>> is supposed to maintain a level playing field for all
>> citizens in their "pursuit" of happiness.
>>
>>> someone once complained about people who denigrated
>>>
>> religious faith in the "new age of reason" as
>> unnecessary. to which the response was, you don't want
>> to be facing the devil without the shield of religious
>> faith between you and him. thats what i expect of my
>> government....a shield to defend me from excesses of the
>> private sector.
>>
>>>
>>> s/v 1969 venture 21
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brad Haslett
>>>
>> <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et
>>>>
>> al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America
>> Campaign)
>>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>>> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 10:55 PM
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I am sorry that you bought into the fellow
>>>>
>> travelers
>>
>>>> idea that compulsory
>>>> purchase contracts by a government agency is the
>>>>
>> same as
>>
>>>> collective
>>>> bargaining. In the compulsory contracts for
>>>> pharmaceuticals there just
>>>> might be unintended consequences."
>>>>
>>>> Where did you ever get that idea? That is the
>>>>
>> antithesis
>>
>>>> of my thought
>>>> process. I believe there are damn few things that
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> government can do
>>>> better than the private sector. We're going
>>>>
>> to get
>>
>>>> some form of "national"
>>>> healthcare regardless of which party takes power.
>>>>
>> The
>>
>>>> country is in the
>>>> mood. I think most of the electorate is ignorant
>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> history, economics,
>>>> and politics, but that's just the
>>>>
>> mean-spirited,
>>
>>>> selfish, and reality-based
>>>> side of me coming out.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I was the guest of a government Kuhuna last
>>>>
>> week
>>
>>>> (sent his driver for
>>>> us in a brand-new Audi) for tea (actually I drank
>>>>
>> free
>>
>>>> communist beer).
>>>> Life is good if you're in control. The
>>>>
>> difference is,
>>
>>>> in this country, I
>>>> can complain about the quality of the government
>>>>
>> provided
>>
>>>> "free" beer.
>>>>
>>>> We have the farthest left candidate nominated for
>>>>
>> President
>>
>>>> in the history
>>>> of the nation. He's being propped-up by the
>>>>
>> MSM which
>>
>>>> is pretty far left
>>>> themselves. I hope everyone has their eyes open.
>>>>
>> I have
>>
>>>> my exit plan. Do
>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Tootle
>>>> <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad:
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep the political references coming. Your
>>>>>
>> last post
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> that had the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> reference
>>>>> to:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/06/obama-tell-us-what-a-sacrifice.html
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lead to a very good analysis:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDkyZTNiZDdkMTNiNzViZTYxNDU0MTY4MzMzMzNmZDU=
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry that you bought into the fellow
>>>>>
>> travelers
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> idea that compulsory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> purchase contracts by a government agency is
>>>>>
>> the same
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> as collective
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bargaining. In the compulsory contracts for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> pharmaceuticals there just
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> might be unintended consequences. Small
>>>>>
>> unique drug
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> makers may be forced
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> not to participate resulting in their demise
>>>>>
>> because
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> of the very
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> specialized
>>>>> uses of their products. When complying with
>>>>>
>> request
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for lower costs, jobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> will be shipped overseas. One of the first
>>>>>
>> cost
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> cutting techniques of just
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> looking at the bottom line and not the future
>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> research, which will be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> left to foreign concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> In contrast, you have benefitted from
>>>>>
>> collective
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> bargaining where first, if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you did not like the contract, you had freedom
>>>>>
>> to work
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, FEDX concluded that the skill
>>>>>
>> level of
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> its employees was very
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> important to the success of its business
>>>>>
>> model.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Additionally, detailed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> analysis of the contracts show that the
>>>>>
>> company can
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> still make a ROI that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> keeps it in business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mixing the two concepts is just the Marxist
>>>>>
>> way of
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> inching away at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> individual freedoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you have unique research resources,
>>>>>
>> where is a
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> good article that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> clearly demonstrates Obama's socialist
>>>>>
>> (for those
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> not willing to accept
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>> word, Marxist) economic ideology as having its
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> historical roots in the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> concepts and beliefs of W.E.B. Dubois.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully, Elle has been reading the articles
>>>>>
>> to the
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> point of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> attachment:
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p17645451/today.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> today.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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