[Rhodes22-list] political : marines in iraq...big al delete
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sat Jun 21 23:34:58 EDT 2008
Good article. I yearn for the day when we'll have a presidential
candidate with the moxie to stand up and say "Hey, you seven guys are
each 1/9th of a branch of the government. I'm 1/1th of an EQUAL branch.
So, that decision that you made xxxxx years ago about Gitmo that walked
all over the area of responsibility given to me by the constitution -
well, take that decision, divide it up in to 5 pieces (spare the 4
Justices that "get it") and shove it up their .... um, I mean, use it
for the toilet paper it should be."
Where is the spirit of Abe Lincoln when we need it?
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Herb,
>
> Hope this link works -
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121400406620193453.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
>
> If it doesn't, let me know and I'll just send the article (I have a
> subscription to the WSJ).
>
> Did you read the story in the MSM about the recently released GITMO prisoner
> who was caught, AGAIN, killing our boys? Probably not because it doesn't
> fit the story line. Now Barry O just this week was showing his ignorance of
> history once again (his friends in college say even today he wasn't
> interested in history) by saying we should handle combatants like we did
> Nazi's at Nuremberg. Uh, Barry, hello! The Nuremberg trials were not run
> according to US jurisprudence, the defendants were not accorded an appeal,
> and THEY WERE EXECUTED. Since the GITMO boys chose not to belong to a
> regular army, wear uniforms, and in general, conform to the Geneva
> Conference standards, they ought to be happy they get three meals a day and
> a nice climate along with their health care.
>
> What our men and women have had to go through trying to fight a PC and media
> war in Iraq is very troubling. The fact that they are succeeding and get so
> little positive press coverage for their heroic efforts is even more
> troubling.
>
> Brad
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> 3-4 years back, one of my daughters was was engaged to a marine who'd
>> served two tours in Iraq (they later broke off the engagement). He
>> brought home a raw video of a in "insurgent" being killed. He showed the
>> raw video of the insurgent firing at a building with marines, AND at the
>> location the from which the video was being shot. Both sides exchanged
>> fire for several rounds. The rifle the insurgent had looked antique, and
>> he was definitely out-gunned, but bullets is bullets, and old guns kill
>> too.
>>
>> He finally ran out of ammunition, and stood up from his crouching
>> position. I couldn't tell for sure if it was a "Send me to Allah"
>> moment, or just a confused guy not knowing what to do, but he didn't get
>> to stand long. He was gunned down, and on his knees in a few short
>> bursts. Firing stopped for a few seconds, then he moved a little, and
>> they tore him up with bullets.
>>
>> Then Mike showed me the media version of the same incident. It STARTED
>> when the insurgent stood up. Watching that view, you saw an "unarmed"
>> man (you had to look on the ground for his gun) standing up, getting
>> shot down, moving again, and being killed.
>>
>> I was disgusted. By the press.
>>
>> We trained ourselves, as a nation, to make pariahs out of those that are
>> risking their lives to devend our way of life. As a nation, we should be
>> ashamed at best. At worst, we deserve what's probably coming down the
>> road. When the best, brightest, and bravest decide that we're no longer
>> worth it, we're in trouble.
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> When the "puppy" story broke it reminded me of a story about my dad that
>>>
>> was
>>
>>> included in a book one of his unit members wrote about their experiences
>>>
>> in
>>
>>> WW2. Dad and another Mid Western farm boy knew how to butcher, so when
>>>
>> they
>>
>>> had some down time (which wasn't often) they were known to 'liberate' a
>>> French cow and feed their fellow soldiers steaks. I can see the USAToday
>>> coverage of it now: "US Soldier Brutally Hacks Cow In Small Pieces".
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John, the military hasn't changed that much, the capabilities of the
>>>> information age have changed. My step-father was an officer, had had
>>>> some pretty "interesting" stories about some of the discipline issues he
>>>> saw dealt with.
>>>>
>>>> The military, like any other organization, is going to have some bad
>>>> apples. For every one of those stories you hear about, there are
>>>> thousands of stories about good men and women doing their job.
>>>>
>>>> john Belanger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> i am a veteran. i served my country during the cuban missle crisis. we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> had lots of kids from all over and occassionally they got in trouble
>>>>
>> ashore.
>>
>>>> but we did not have the kind of incidents that seem to be more and more
>>>> common in the services now. these two enlisted marines were punished for
>>>> their actions but only after a video surfaced, like at abu graib. what
>>>>
>> did
>>
>>>> they get....suspension of their va benfits.....loss of opportunity to be
>>>> buried in a military graveyard? this #$%^%#$#@$ has to stop and someone
>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>> authority has to go to jail. not just get separated or passed over for
>>>> promotion. one incident like this puts our policy efforts back into the
>>>> stone age. i'm ashamed. john b
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080612/ap_on_re_us/marine_youtube;_ylt=Av9MAiCYGAu1ET.1z93N5zqs0NUE
>>
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