[Rhodes22-list] Fun and Games with A Mac 26M, reply

benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
Fri Jun 27 11:37:43 EDT 2008


   I was thinking the same thing.  Elton would have been in this guy's
   driveway for a month fixing all of the problems.
   ben
   On Fri Jun 27 8:29 , 'Michael D. Weisner' sent:

     If Elton delivered Macs, they would never have had the problem.
     What did
     they do, leave it on his doorstep??
     Mike
     s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
     Nissequogue River, NY
     From: "Hank" <[1]hnw555 at gmail.com>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:09
     AM
     > Ed,
     >
     > If you look at the site the guy created that was listed in his
     message, he
     > fully documents everything he found with pictures. It is quite
     obvious
     > that
     > he knows what he is talking about.
     >
     > Hank
     >
     >
     > On 6/27/08, Tootle <[2]ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
     >>
     >>
     >> Robert,
     >>
     >> And Stan thought he had issues with his people. He ought to read
     it to
     >> his
     >> guys, that is, if he can translate it to Spanish.
     >>
     >> And Stan knows the head fellow of MacGregor!
     >>
     >> If only half of this is true, I guess it means that MacGregor is
     going
     >> under. However, the dealer who delivered should have taken time
     to check
     >> it
     >> out. Car dealerships used to check out a car prior to delivery.
     Quick
     >> way
     >> to ruin a business.
     >>
     >> On the otherhand, this guy may lack ordinary common boat sense
     and expect
     >> after a long trip that everything is perfect. That is why Stan
     either
     >> goes
     >> thru the basics at the plant if it is a pick up or sends an
     experienced
     >> person to assist with the initial set up.
     >>
     >> Ed K
     >> Greenville, SC, USA
     >> [3]http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
     >> economics+101.jpg
     >>
     >>
     >> Robert Skinner wrote:
     >> >
     >> > I received the following message from a fellow sailor,
     >> > and thought I'd pass it on. While I have not verified
     >> > the details and cannot vouch for the accuracy thereof,
     >> > the general tone seems to indicate caution where Macs
     >> > are concerned...
     >> >
     >> > /Robert
     >> >
     >> > -------- Original Message --------
     >> > Subject: re: August sail
     >> > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:20:27 -0400
     >> > From: "Jay Hersh aka Dr. Beer(R)" <[4]jsh at doctorbeer.com>
     >> >
     >> > We bought a MacGregor 26M from a Colorado dealer named Kelly
     Hanson
     >> > because
     >> > they had showed at the Boston boat show and there are no
     MacGregor
     >> dealers
     >> > for 400 miles so it was going to have to be shipped to us
     anyway. We
     >> > ordered it in March and Kelly Hanson got the check on April
     1st. It
     >> > cleared
     >> > my bank account April 3rd, and sincethis takes 2 days for out
     of state
     >> > checks, they must have deposited the day they got it. That was
     the last
     >> > thing about this transaction they did in a prompt manner. The
     boat
     >> > didn't
     >> > arrive until Memorial Day, a month late. It is riddled with
     problems.
     >> > Major
     >> > problems.
     >> >
     >> > - Engine won't go into reverse and starts in gear because the
     throttle
     >> > cable was not installed correctly.
     >> > - the Engine wasn't inspected by an authorized dealer BRP, the
     parent
     >> > company of Evinrude, won't validate the warranty until I have
     this
     >> > done.
     >> > - Steering linkage was either a bad design or incorrectly
     installed
     >> > because
     >> > you can't turn to starboard
     >> > - the trailer torsion bars were never adjusted so the fenders
     were
     >> rubbing
     >> > the tires. Because the flatbed that was supposed to deliver it
     from CO
     >> > broke down in PA the trailer was towed by some 3rd party
     shipper the
     >> > last
     >> > 400 miles. This resulted in the side light wiring chafing
     away.
     >> > - Speaker wire was used to extend the 14AWG marine grade wire
     that
     >> > connects
     >> > the 30 Amp main switch panel to the battery.
     >> > - the connection between the 30 Amp panel and the battery had
     a 10 Amp
     >> > fuse
     >> > wired inline, not a 30 Amp. So if you flipped more than one
     switch on
     >> > the
     >> > panel the fuse would blow
     >> > - the 12 volt power socket which has 20 guage wiring and is
     designed
     >> > for
     >> > no
     >> > more than 10 Amps had the 30 Amp inline fuse wired into it
     >> > - the engine wasn't connected to the batteries via the battery
     >> > selection
     >> > switch
     >> > - the 2nd battery I was sold ($195 for the battery, Perko
     battery
     >> > switch
     >> > and installation) was a 75 Amp trolling motor battery
     >> > - the main battery on the boat was a 450 Amp, not the proper
     size for
     >> > the
     >> > ETec 50HP engine I ordered which the manufacturer spec says
     should have
     >> > a
     >> > max cranking amperage of 1000 Amps
     >> > - the stereo I bought was advertised and invoiced as a
     "Marine" stereo
     >> but
     >> > instead a car stereo was installed. It was installed in the
     wrong place
     >> > and
     >> > it wasn't even hooked up right. there was no fuse in the
     inline fuse
     >> > holder
     >> > and the wire on the positive wasn't stripped before being
     crimped in
     >> > the
     >> > connector end
     >> > - They stiffed me for the main sheet, genoa sheet and genoa
     cars
     >> > - The $495 Genoa that is advertised as having a sewn on UV
     cover didn't
     >> >
     >> > This is just the short list. There are 2 full pages of defects
     on this
     >> > boat.
     >> >
     >> > When I tried to contact Kelly Hanson both the Sales Director
     who had
     >> > sold
     >> > me the boat (Jeff Stagg) and the Chief Financial Officer
     (Andrew Etzen)
     >> > who
     >> > I'd also dealt with previously ignored repeated emails and
     calls. I
     >> posted
     >> > something on the MacGregor Sailors web page and the owner of
     the
     >> > company
     >> > Art Kelly called me names and said that if I'd only called him
     he'd
     >> > have
     >> > corrected everything. So I called him and he said to email him
     the list
     >> of
     >> > problems and the pics I took of them. That was three weeks
     ago, and as
     >> you
     >> > might be guessing he didn't respond to my email.
     >> >
     >> > Next I contacted the East Coast Sales Rep who only recently
     started
     >> > with
     >> > them and works part time while having a day job. He's a nice
     guy and he
     >> > came out to my house near Boston two weeks aga and took a look
     at the
     >> > lemon
     >> > of a boat they sent me (we've nicknamed it the Albatross for
     now) and
     >> when
     >> > I told him that I should be getting refunded at lesat some of
     my $ for
     >> the
     >> > slipshod work his reply was that calling it slipshod "was
     being kind."
     >> > He
     >> > put together an action list and sent it out to Colorado. The
     CO office
     >> has
     >> > done nothing. They haven't bothered to doing even the easy
     stuff on the
     >> > action list like mailing me the missing parts and they have
     yet to send
     >> me
     >> > a dime.
     >> >
     >> > I've had to shell out $300 to have the trailer repaired
     earlier this
     >> > week
     >> > so I could tow it to the closest Evinrude dealer to have the
     warranty
     >> > inspection done, the throttle properly connected and a battery
     sized
     >> > for
     >> > starting this engine installed. That's going to cost a bunch
     more $.
     >> >
     >> > In the meantime Kelly Hanson is blaming MacGregor for some of
     these
     >> > problems since it's a custom built trailer and MacGregor
     installed the
     >> > engine. They haven't owned up to the miserable and hazardous
     wiring job
     >> > they did and refunded me the $ for the labor on it or the cost
     of the
     >> > stereo plus installation. Summer starts
     >> >
     >> > The hybrid power sailer of the MacGregor is in principle a
     good design.
     >> > MacGregor itself cuts just about every corner they can to
     squeeze a $1
     >> > more
     >> > profit out it. They make claims about the boat that just plain
     aren't
     >> true
     >> > which I won't go into those here. They don't stand behind
     their 2 year
     >> > warranty, and they aren't even remotely close to being
     qualified to
     >> > install
     >> > engines on their boats.
     >> >
     >> > Kelly Hanson has a nice web site. They've been selling
     MacGregors for
     >> > 1.5
     >> > to 2 years and have become the largest reseller. Almost
     nothing Jeff
     >> Stagg
     >> > their sales Director told me about the boat before I bought it
     is true.
     >> He
     >> > misrepresented so many things about it I don't know where to
     start.
     >> > There
     >> > is no supervision of whoever is doing the install work on the
     boats of
     >> the
     >> > options they sell, and despite a lot of huffing and puffing
     from Art
     >> Kelly
     >> > (who also runs Freedom Boat Works) they don't stand behind the
     boats
     >> > they
     >> > sell.
     >> >
     >> > So just like Ishmail in Moby Dick, I'm here to tell you my
     tale so that
     >> > you
     >> > might avoid my fate. Think twice or even thrice before you
     decide to
     >> > buy
     >> a
     >> > MacGregor because even if it is delivered in the condition it
     is
     >> > supposed
     >> > to you'll spend lots and lots of money and time just replacing
     the
     >> > cheap
     >> > hardware they use (most of which is designed for much smaller
     day
     >> sailers)
     >> > with quality stuff. Definitely DO NOT BUY A BOAT FROM KELLY
     HANSON
     >> > MARINE!!!! Tell anyone you know that might be thinking of
     buying a
     >> > MacGregor not to buy from Kelly Hanson Marine. Tell them to
     tell
     >> > everyone
     >> > they know. Believe me you'll be doing people you never even
     met a huge,
     >> > huge favor.
     >> >
     >> > If the boat weren't in the shop I'd probably be working
     another 10-12
     >> hour
     >> > day on it in the fading hope of getting to sail it this year
     instead of
     >> > writing this email.
     >> > Hope all your summers go better than mine has started out.
     >> >
     >> > Jay
     >> >
     >> > PS I've created the website KellyHansonMarineSucks.com and
     will be
     >> posting
     >> > a list of the defects the boat arrived with, pictures of the
     slipshod
     >> work
     >> > that was done by them and MacGregor, the timeline of events,
     and other
     >> > details.
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