[Rhodes22-list] First Time Out

[Hank]

Lee,

You don't know how many times I had to re-wrap my drum because I mis-figured
how to do it.  I think the first time I did it I had it setup so that the
furler and the sail both unwrapped together!  Makes it kinda hard to furl in
later.  Fortunately, that was during testing in the slip and not out in the
bay.

Hank


On 6/30/08, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hank,
>
> "Actually, that should be wrapped..."
>
> You are correct.  Sometimes I'm not wrapped tight enough.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hank [mailto:hnw555 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:49 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out
>
> Lee,
>
> You stated:
>
> If you have a new CDI furler, the instructions state that you should
> have the furling line wrapped about 5 times around the drum when the 175
> if fully deployed.
>
> Actually, that should be wrapped around 5 times (more like 2-3) when the
> sail is furled, not deployed.  As the sail is deployed, the furling line
> will be taken up on the furler reel so that it will have many wraps so
> you
> can furl the sail back up.
>
> Also, the UV can be installed on either side of the sail.  Yours happens
> to
> be on the port side.  I think mine is on the starboard.  The furler
> should
> be adjusted based upon the sail.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 6/30/08, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > I'm sure your story sounds familiar to a lot of us.  The Rhodes22 is
> an
> > incredibly easy boat to sail in winds less than 10 knots.  It's an
> easy
> > boat to sail in winds between 10 and 20 knots, if you've had a lot of
> > experience sailing it in those winds.  After 20 knots, it becomes more
> > work than fun if you want to try to sail upwind.
> >
> > "Wind was 5-10 mph."
> > The more I sail, the less sail I use.  On a beam or close reach, at
> 7-8
> > knots the 175 Genoa will start to create too much heel for optimal
> > speed.  If you're heeling more than 10 degrees, you will probably be
> > able to go faster with less sail.  Once you've heeled over so far that
> > most of your rudder is out of the water, you start approaching a
> broach
> > and don't have enough speed and control to head in or out of the wind.
> > Having the centerboard down does help to a point.  Too much sail can
> be
> > fun, but it certainly makes things more difficult to control.
> >
> > "We let out the
> > sheets to steady the boat."
> > You knew what you were doing.  You can't furl that big Genoa back in
> > unless you take the pressure off of it.  If you can't do that by
> heading
> > into the wind, you need to loosen the sheets.  Ideally you want put
> > light pressure on the sheet/sail while furling it in so it wraps tight
> > enough that the UV protector covers the sail.  In an emergency, just
> > furl in the flapping sail and worry about perfect furling later.
> >
> > If you have a new CDI furler, the instructions state that you should
> > have the furling line wrapped about 5 times around the drum when the
> 175
> > if fully deployed.  You really only need it wrapped around once so the
> > thing will turn when you pull it, but yours obviously wasn't wrapped
> > around at all.  If you have the CDI furling line that comes with the
> > furler, don't wrap it more than 5 times or you won't have enough
> furling
> > line to allow your 175 to fully deploy--the bitter end of your furling
> > line would need to be let out beyond your cam cleat.  Stan gives you a
> > much longer furling line than the one provided by CDI, which
> alleviates
> > this problem.
> >
> > My furler is set-up to wind the sail back in clockwise, and furls back
> > in slightly better on a starboard tack.  As Art stated, you can set it
> > up to furl either way.  However, UV protection is sewn on the port
> side
> > of the sail, which means you need it to furl back in clockwise.
> Either
> > Art doesn't have UV protection on his counterclockwise furling Genoa,
> or
> > he is thinking like a Navy man (go Army!).
> >
> > Good luck and don't let this minor mishap take the fun out of your
> > sailing.  If you're like me, this won't be your last exciting
> challenge.
> > I don't know who coined the phrase "sh** happens," but it must have
> been
> > a sailor.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MichaelT [mailto:mticse at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:09 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time Out
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > After working on the boat for the past several weeks and taking down
> the
> > mast for the 1st time to add a new pop-top slider, windex and
> pre-wiring
> > for
> > a vhf I was finally set to go. Replaced my first impeller on the 20
> year
> > old
> > yamaha 8hp, hiking stick w/ coaming box, all the wiring/lights tested
> > and
> > operable as the former owner never had a battery installed. And a
> solar
> > panel from GB to boot.
> >
> > So I went out for the first time for the season yesterday this being
> my
> > first boat, first season. Everything was going swell. Wind was 5-10
> mph.
> > 2
> > hours later the wind picked up a notch and still all was well. When it
> > was
> > time to go home, we lost our bearing and realized we were downwind and
> > started to beat the wind. The boat started to heel and heel a lot. So
> > much
> > we the jib started touching the water and scooping water from the
> > gunnels.
> >
> > The wind picked up even more and this when the problem started. I
> > decided
> > that it would be best to take down the sails and just motor in. We
> tried
> > to
> > head the boat into the wind and couldn't. Boat still heeling. We let
> out
> > the
> > sheets to steady the boat. Tried to furl the jib in. Furling jib is
> > stuck.What to do? While the boat was heeling, wind is now 20+, I go
> > forward
> > to check the furling unit and noticed that there was hardly any line
> in
> > the
> > spool. I had to hand wind the sail itself and was able to roll in
> about
> > 2/3's of the jib. The 3rd still flapping. I grabbed the boom, lifted
> the
> > topping lift, released the outhaul which just flew away and pulled
> hard
> > on
> > the main sail furling line and thank goodness the main sail furled in.
> > Motor
> > down, motor started and we now were heading into the wind motoring,
> the
> > jib
> > still flapping. I noticed that my mast stay turnbuckles on the
> starboard
> > side was being turned loose from the flapping jib. Turnbuckles was
> > reinstalled w/o cotter pins by our marina guy. Which way to tighen?
> > Counter
> > clockwise ok. Settled down the jib on the mast stays. Swells were
> > building
> > up and we would hear the motor wining when it caught air.
> >
> > As we started heading into our channel at Cedar Creek, our point of
> sail
> > was
> > now a beam reach and the 1/3 of our jib sail started to heel us over
> and
> > now
> > the motor was all air wining. Placed the motor in neutral while we
> > sailed
> > and instructed my partner to throttle the motor when the boat
> flattened.
> > We
> > finally made it into our marina, in our slip without fanfare as the
> > marina
> > was sheltered form the winds in the Barnegat. It started raining cats
> > and
> > dogs the moment we were gathering our things to pack up. Secured the
> > dock
> > lines, lifted the motor and rudder off the water. We just left the
> boat
> > amd
> > went home.
> >
> > What do I do now? I might have broken the furling jib when I physicaly
> > hand
> > wound the whole unit. Where do I even start to figure out why there
> > wasn't
> > any line in the spool. Is it possible when the mast was taken down
> that
> > it
> > may have gotten unwound? How do i get the furling jib back in order?
> > Other
> > questions linger...Why couldn't we head into the wind? Center board
> was
> > down. We're we just having fun heeling and seeing the jib touch water
> or
> > were we already in danger?
> >
> > Thanks for listening and appreciate your input...
> >
> > Michael
> > Rhodes 87', Silverside
> >
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