[Rhodes22-list] Polical reply - about UTube made for you...

[Herb Parsons]

In other words, you want to play word games. I'll pass. You talked about 
rational discussion, yet refused to answer a very direct question, and 
instead obfuscated it with a bunch of extra rhetoric.

And frankly, the nonsense about "apparently deliberately fabricated" is 
nonsense. Who fabricated it. If you can't say who, how can you say it's 
fabricated?

If you think that this war's "mutated forms" is anything new, then 
you're not familiar with warfare.

No one is asking us to "stay the course". That phrase went out when you 
and folks like you twisted it to mean something that it did NOT mean. 
The fact is that the recent surge has been amazingly successful.

And finally, I'll come full circle back to my original reason for 
entering this bit of nonsens - don't deign to speak for everyone on this 
list. You don't. Your views on the war, and the toops fighting it, are 
vastly different than mine.

Robert Skinner wrote:
> Which of the several "missions" that we have been 
> told about by this administration are you referring 
> to?  
>
> One of the major problems that I have with this 
> engagement is that it began with a published 
> definition that was not based on fact, apparently 
> deliberately fabricated, and since then has mutated 
> into several forms as time passes.
>
> We are asked to "stay the course."  There ain't no 
> course.  It is a procession of carrots dangled 
> forever out of reach.
>
> God bless our loyal troops.  They deserve better 
> leadership.
>
> /Robert
> ------------------------------------------------
> Herb Parsons wrote:
>   
>> Except Robert, you're assuming we agree with you, and I don't think we do.
>>
>> And the rhetoric below is an example of what I'm talking about. You're
>> twisting those of us saying that we should complete the mission as
>> somehow saying our finest should stay there "forever". I suspect we will
>> have troops in Iraq for DECADES (just like we do many other countries),
>> unless we abandon our mission, in which case it'll be much like Vietnam
>> - those that conquer what's left won't really want us there.
>>
>> So, to settle the "we all agree" (when some of us don't think we do);
>>
>> Are you saying we should bring the troops home immediately (0-12 months)
>> even if it means abandoning our mission, or not?
>>
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>     
>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Was posted because it was a moving and good quality production.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Agreed, and thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> A member of this forum sail, "you are preaching to the choir."   He further
>>>> stated, "As to bringing our troops home, the discussion is only about timing
>>>> and method."
>>>>
>>>> This is a typical fellow traveler reply to the issue...
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> If rational discussion is not about when
>>> and under what conditions our troops come
>>> home, then the presumption is that they
>>> will be there forever.  Do I understand
>>> that you want our finest in country with
>>> no end in sight?
>>>
>>> Please don't take everything I say and
>>> make it a basis for one of your anti-Marxist
>>> diatribes.  For one thing, you
>>> mis-characterize me, and for another, you
>>> spend your credibility to no purpose.
>>>
>>> If you read what I said carefully, I believe
>>> you will find nothing in it to disagree with.
>>> In fact, it is probably as close as I will
>>> ever come to agreeing with you.
>>>
>>> Your post contained a good piece.  Let's not
>>> demean it by playing political games.
>>>
>>> I apologize if you took my reference to
>>> "preaching to the choir" as a put-down.
>>> It is usually interpreted as "making a
>>> statement to those who already agree with
>>> you" as I did in my note.
>>>
>>> /Robert
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>> Herb Parsons
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Herb Parsons
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