[Rhodes22-list] Mo Gubmint - Politics & Education

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 13 22:07:31 EDT 2008 

That would be 'bated' breath  ;^)...

but nontheless...you are SO close ...you'll see! (But
I think it will be closer to dog breath....;^)

I'll give you a hint...the name for this photo will be
'Stop.... & Go.

elle



--- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:

> Oh, thank you Elle,
> I wait with baited breath, or just bait breath, or
> breath like the bait tank
> at sea world or .....
> 
> Chris
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mo Gubmint - Politics &
> Education
> 
> 
> > Nope, Not yet....
> >
> > But i DO have a picture for you.....(if the light
> is
> > right tomorrow...I have to be there about 6:45 to
> get
> > the shot...you'll LOVE it...)
> >
> > elle
> >
> > --- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > > And what about the beautiful Redbuds I remember?
> > > Chris
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mo Gubmint -
> Politics &
> > > Education
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks, Chris...and thanks for chiming
> in...makes
> > > the
> > > > days move faster....60's this week!
> > > >
> > > > Bubblers are put away...maples are leafing
> out,
> > > quince
> > > > & almond are doing their thing...almost time
> to
> > > unwrap
> > > > the boat!
> > > >
> > > > elle
> > > >
> > > > --- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Elle!  Well said.
> > > > > Chris G
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:03 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mo Gubmint -
> > > Politics &
> > > > > Education
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Slim,,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd been trying to stay out of this since
> > > there
> > > > > are
> > > > > > some who seem to know more on this subject
> > > than
> > > > > those
> > > > > > of us in the biz...and things do get a bit
> > > heated
> > > > > here
> > > > > > at times...;^)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That said, I've been chomping at the
> bit...so
> > > here
> > > > > it
> > > > > > comes......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One cannot generalize about this
> > > topic....training
> > > > > in
> > > > > > any profession is essential, altho'
> dealing
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > basics may be in the perview of many
> parents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An educated populace promotes the welfare
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > nation and its citizens; but we have
> babies
> > > having
> > > > > > babies...who can say that these folks are
> > > capable
> > > > > of
> > > > > > 'educating' their offspring? Or is what
> they
> > > are
> > > > > > teaching what is good for our nation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have had in my classes students who were
> > > > > > homeschooled until high school age, when
> > > material
> > > > > > became too complicated for the home school
> > > > > parents.
> > > > > > Those students were ...generally...bright,
> > > > > > inquisitive, respectful. But, so were many
> of
> > > the
> > > > > kids
> > > > > > who had come through the system. Some of
> the
> > > HS
> > > > > kids
> > > > > > were rude & demanding...but so were the
> > > 'system'
> > > > > kids.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe there are many parents who are
> quite
> > > > > capable
> > > > > > of teaching their children ...(isn't what
> moms
> > > did
> > > > > > before we tossed the kiddies into day care
> &
> > > > > headed
> > > > > > into the work force? Thanks, women's
> lib...)
> > > > > Shouldn't
> > > > > > there be standards for these students as
> well
> > > as
> > > > > for
> > > > > > the ones in the system?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But there is  point at which parents
> cannot
> > > get
> > > > > the
> > > > > > material across to their students. Not
> having
> > > > > depth in
> > > > > > a subject and trying to teach it quickly
> shows
> > > how
> > > > > > little you really know. To instill
> > > understanding,
> > > > > to
> > > > > > reinforce it and reiterate it, a good
> teacher
> > > > > needs to
> > > > > > be able to approach the subject from
> different
> > > > > > directions; to look at the difficulties
> the
> > > > > student is
> > > > > > having through his eyes, and devise a
> strategy
> > > to
> > > > > help
> > > > > > him capture the elusive knowledge.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what is the worth of a teaching
> > > credential??
> > > > > What
> > > > > > is the worth of a medical license...or a
> > > > > beautician's
> > > > > > license. After all, I can cut hair...give
> me a
> > > > > pair of
> > > > > > scissors & I'll show you....OH...do it
> > > WELL...with
> > > > > > STYLE....in a way that suits the
> recipient...I
> > > get
> > > > > > it...that's what the TRAINING is for....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you need a surgeon, would you want
> the
> > > one
> > > > > > trained by the local butcher or the one
> who
> > > > > > matriculated at a highly rated university?
> I
> > > mean,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > can cut up a chicken into parts & a roast
> into
> > > > > stew
> > > > > > meat...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do we train our troops...or our
> > > police...or
> > > > > hazmat
> > > > > > crews...or bus drivers...?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The point of the teaching credential is
> not
> > > the
> > > > > > rinky-dink edu courses.....(altho; there
> were
> > > some
> > > > > > good ones...) the point of the credential
> is
> > > the
> > > > > > exposure and experience the teacher brings
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > student....the breadth and depth of
> knowledge
> > > of
> > > > > > topics other than just the subject
> > > matter...THAT's
> > > > > the
> > > > > > education...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be able to react without thinking in an
> > > > > > emergency...we look for standardization in
> > > many
> > > > > > occupations...following
> procedures....that's
> > > the
> > > > > > training...and only a highly trained
> person
> > > can
> > > > > pass
> > > > > > this on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for asking, Slim ;^)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW..when I retired, I donated all 33 yrs
> of
> > > my
> > > > > > teaching materials to the home school
> folks of
> > > a
> > > > > local
> > > > > > church, one of whose dads was  a science
> > > teacher
> > > > > at my
> > > > > > HS. They had weekend classes; he taught
> > > science on
> > > > > Sat
> > > > > > AM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > elle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brad,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't mean to be vague, just
> > > brief.
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > I'm getting at is that
> > > > > > > in a perfect world, all parents are
> > > wonderful
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > would make great home
> > > > > > > school teachers for their perfect
> children.
> > > > > > > But........  Or maybe they
> > > > > > > don't care about whatever--music,
> sports,
> > > all
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > peripheral stuff--and
> > > > > > > only care that their precious little
> ones
> > > don't
> > > > > hear
> > > > > > > anything about that
> > > > > > > godless thing we call evolution or sex
> > > education
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > a myriad of unsavory
> > > > > > > topics called the real world.  If their
> goal
> > > is
> > > > > > > protectionism rather than a
> > > > > > > complete, rounded education, they should
> be
> > > > > allowed
> > > > > > > to sheild their kids
> > > > > > > from the evils of the outside world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That said, I've met several home
> schooled
> > > > > > > individuals who were articulate,
> > > > > > > confident and looked you straight in the
> eye
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > speaking to you with
> > > > > > > endless curiosity about the world and
> with
> > > > > promising
> > > > > > > futures.  Two in
> > > > > > > particular are my twin niece and nephew.
> > > She
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > operating way above her
> > > > > > > grade level and was getting bored in
> school
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > it wasn't a challenge
> > > > > > > for her.  The boy was operating below
> his
> > > grade
> > > > > > > level and was frustrated and
> > > > > > > started developing behavioral problems. 
> So
> > > they
> > > > > > > were both pulled out of
> > > > > > > school and taught at home for several
> years
> > > and
> > > > > > > eventually rejoined their
> > > > > > > classmates in public school for their
> > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > One parent a PhD and the
> > > > > > > other a neurosurgeon, their education
> was
> > > solid
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > say the least.  I'm
> > > > > > > afraid this is the exception however.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As for certification, less than
> qualified
> > > > > teachers
> > > > > > > will produce less than
> > > > > > > qualified students. The question is
> whether
> > > you
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > be qualified without
> > > > > > > being certified.  Perhaps.  Why should a
> > > pilot
> > > > > need
> > > > > > > a licence?  Shouldn't it
> > > > > > > be OK to let a person fly a jet without
> all
> > > that
> > > > > > > bull shit instruction?
> > > > > > > After all, it's as simple as following
> the
> > > > > > > checklist, right?  Isn't that
> > > > > > > just too much gubment getting in your
> way?
> > > When
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > was going through my
> > > > > > > certification there were a few times
> when I
> > > > > thought
> > > > > > > it was just busy work
> > > > > > > but most of it was valuable to me.  I
> > > couldn't
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > gotten through the first
> > > > > > > week of teaching without it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wish Elle would chime in.  After 33
> years
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > biz I know she has some
> > > > > > > insight.  C'mon girl!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Brad
> > > Haslett
> > > > > > > <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Slim,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm guessing as to what you really
> mean.
> > > But,
> > > > > let
> > > > > > > me address the "what is
> > > > > > > > important to me" question first.  The
> > > issue at
> > > > > > > hand in California is who
> > > > > > > > "owns" the children.  Most (and that
> > > includes
> > > > > me)
> > > > > > > feel that the parents
> > > > > > > > "own" the RESPONSIBILITY for their
> > > children
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > that includes the right to
> > > > > > > > oversee their education.  Both of my
> boys
> > > went
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > private schools where
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > teachers didn't have 'teaching
> > > credentials'
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > they knew their subject
> > > > > > > > matter and knew how to teach.  If they
> > > didn't,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > had two choices, pull
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > out or bitch.  I did neither because 1
> -
> > > they
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > incredible instructors,
> > > > > > > > and 2 - the school would have told me
> to
> > > "go
> > > > > pound
> > > > > > > sand" if I bitched.
> > > > > > > >  The
> > > > > > > > concept of everyone having access to a
> > > public
> > > > > > > education is a wonderful
> > > > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > and I support it.  The disconnect is
> that
> > > many
> > > > > > > people feel they have no
> > > > > > > > control over the process and they opt
> out.
> > > > > That
> > > > > > > choice should be
> > > > > > > > protected.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just so you don't misunderstand my
> point,
> > > let
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > state it clearly.  Some
> > > > > > > > folks are naturally gifted teachers
> and
> > > some
> > > > > folks
> > > > > > > know a given area of
> > > > > > > > science or art very well.  When you
> find
> > > an
> > > > > > > individual that can combine
> > > > > > > > their knowledge of a given subject and
> > > have a
> > > > > > > natural ability to teach,
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > a wonderful thing.  Having a
> 'credential'
> > > > > means
> > > > > > > you have the patience to
> > > > > > > > listen to X hours of bullshit theory
> and
> > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > else!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BTW, I take as much pride in teaching
> my
> > > art
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > science as I do
> > > > > > > > practicing
> > > > > > > > it - $100 says you do too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brad
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Steven
> Alm
> > > > > > > <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  "I just don't get it!  What is so
> > > > > > > > > special about a teaching
> credential?"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well, for one thing, there is only
> one
> > > in a
> > > > > > > million moms out there that
> > > > > > > > > could even begin to teach five
> little
> > > girls
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > sing the National Anthem
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > part harmony like we just heard.
> > > > > > > > > It's all about what's important to
> you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Just
> > > bent
> > > > > > > <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  I just don't get it!  What is so
> > > > > > > > > > special about a teaching
> credential?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Brad,
> > > > > > > > > > carefull, you'll have the wrath of
> the
> > > > > > > teachers union come down on
> > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > > For every student that is home
> school,
> > > the
> > > > > > > district loses money.
> > > > > > > > > > My guess is it's a lobbiest for
> the
> > > public
> > > > > > > school system who is
> > > > > > > > pushing
> > > > > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > > remember, follow the money and you
> > > will
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > the reason.
> > > > > > > > > > Jb
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Home schooling is not my thing
> but a
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > number of my co-workers
> > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > > school.  Some do it for
> religious
> > > > > reasons
> > > > > > > but most do it because
> > > > > > > > > they're
> > > > > > > > > > > fed
> > > > > > > > > > > up with the public school
> monopoly
> > > and
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > want to spend $10,000+
> > > > > > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > child for private schools.  Most
> of
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > kids have performed well
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > standardized tests and get into
> good
> > > > > > > colleges. That won't be a
> > > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > California gets their way.  What
> is
> > > it
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > makes people want a
> > > > > > > > > > government
> > > > > > > > > > > that controls every aspect of
> their
> > > > > lives?
> > > > > > > I just don't get it!
> > > > > > > >  What
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > special about a teaching
> credential?
> > > > > Most
> > > > > > > education textbooks are
> > > > > > > > > pure
> > > > > > > > > > > BS.
> > > > > > > > > > > Note that the LA Times goes
> heavy
> > > into
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > religion aspect.  That's
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > primary issue with most of the
> > > people I
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > who home school.  Brad
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> ---------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ruling seen as a threat to many
> > > > > > > home-schooling families State
> > > > > > > > > appellate
> > > > > > > > > > > court says those who teach
> children
> > > in
> > > > > > > private must have a
> > > > > > > > credential.
> > > > > > > > > > > By Seema Mehta and Mitchell
> > > Landsberg
> > > > > > > > > > > Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > March 6, 2008
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Parents who lack teaching
> > > credentials
> > > > > cannot
> > > > > > > educate their children
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > home,
> > > > > > > > > > > according to a state appellate
> court
> > > > > ruling
> > > > > > > that is sending waves of
> > > > > > > > > > fear
> > > > > > > > > > > through California's home
> schooling
> > > > > > > families.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Advocates for the families vowed
> to
> > > > > appeal
> > > > > > > the decision to the state
> > > > > > > > > > > Supreme
> > > > > > > > > > > Court. Enforcement until then
> > > appears
> > > > > > > unlikely, but if the ruling
> > > > > > > > > > stands,
> > > > > > > > > > > home-schooling supporters say
> > > California
> > > > > > > will have the most
> > > > > > > > regressive
> > > > > > > > > > law
> > > > > > > > > > > in the nation.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "This decision is a direct hit
> > > against
> > > > > every
> > > > > > > home schooler in
> > > > > > > > > > California,"
> > > > > > > > > > > said Brad Dacus, president of
> the
> > > > > Pacific
> > > > > > > Justice Institute, which
> > > > > > > > > > > represents the Sunland Christian
> > > School,
> > > > > > > which specializes in
> > > > > > > > > religious
> > > > > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > > schooling. "If the state Supreme
> > > Court
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > not reverse this . . .
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > will be nothing to prevent
> > > home-school
> > > > > witch
> > > > > > > hunts from being
> > > > > > > > > > implemented
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > every corner of the state of
> > > > > California."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The institute estimates there
> are as
> > > > > many as
> > > > > > > 166,000 California
> > > > > > > > > students
> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > are home schooled. State
> Department
> > > of
> > > > > > > Education officials say there
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > way to know the true number.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unlike at least 30 other states,
> > > home
> > > > > > > schooling is not specifically
> > > > > > > > > > > addressed in California law.
> Under
> > > the
> > > > > state
> > > > > > > education code,
> > > > > > > > students
> > > > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > > be enrolled in a public or
> private
> > > > > school,
> > > > > > > or can be taught at home
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > credentialed tutor.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The California Department of
> > > Education
> > > > > > > currently allows home
> > > > > > > > schooling
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > long as parents file paperwork
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > > state establishing
> > > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > small private schools, hire
> > > credentialed
> > > > > > > tutors or enroll their
> > > > > > > > > children
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > independent study programs run
> by
> > > > > charter or
> > > > > > > private schools or
> > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > school districts while still
> > > teaching at
> > > > > > > home.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > California does little to
> enforce
> > > those
> > > > > > > provisions and insists it is
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > local school districts'
> > > responsibility.
> > > > > In
> > > > > > > addition, state education
> > > > > > > > > > > officials say some parents home
> > > school
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > children without the
> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge
> > > > > > > > > > > of any entity.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Home schoolers and government
> > > officials
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > largely accepted this
> > > > > > > > > murky
> > > > > > > > > > > arrangement.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "This works so well, I don't see
> any
> > > > > reason
> > > > > > > to change it," said J.
> > > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > Smith, president of the
> > > Virginia-based
> > > > > Home
> > > > > > > School Legal Defense
> > > > > > > > Assn.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The appellate court ruling stems
> > > from a
> > > > > case
> > > > > > > involving Lynwood
> > > > > > > > parents
> > > > > > > > > > > Phillip and Mary Long, who were
> > > > > repeatedly
> > > > > > > referred to the Los
> > > > > > > > Angeles
> > > > > > > > > > > County Department of Children
> and
> > > Family
> > > > > > > Services over various
> > > > > > > > > > > allegations,
> > > > > > > > > > > including claims of physical
> abuse,
> > > > > > > involving some of their eight
> > > > > > > > > > > children.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > All of the children are
> currently or
> > > had
> > > > > > > been enrolled in Sunland
> > > > > > > > > > > Christian
> > > > > > > > > > > School, where they would
> > > occasionally
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > tests, but were educated
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > home by their mother, Phillip
> Long
> > > said.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A lawyer appointed to represent
> two
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Long's young children
> > > > > > > > > > requested
> > > > > > > > > > > that the court require them to
> > > > > physically
> > > > > > > attend a public or private
> > > > > > > > > > > school
> > > > > > > > > > > where adults could monitor their
> > > > > well-being.
> > > > > > > A trial court
> > > > > > > > disagreed,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > the children's lawyer appealed
> to
> > > the
> > > > > 2nd
> > > > > > > District Court of Appeal,
> > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > has jurisdiction over Los
> Angeles,
> > > > > Ventura,
> > > > > > > Santa Barbara and San
> > > > > > > > Luis
> > > > > > > > > > > Obispo counties.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The appellate panel ruled that
> > > Sunland
> > > > > > > officials' occasional
> > > > > > > > > monitoring
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > the Longs' home schooling --
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > > children taking some tests at
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > school -- is insufficient to
> qualify
> > > as
> > > > > > > being enrolled in a private
> > > > > > > > > > > school.
> > > > > > > > > > > Since Mary Long does not have a
> > > teaching
> > > > > > > credential, the family is
> > > > > > > > > > > violating
> > > > > > > > > > > state laws, the ruling said.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Parents do not have a
> > > constitutional
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > to home school their
> > > > > > > > > > > children,"
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote Justice H. Walter Croskey
> in a
> > > > > Feb. 28
> > > > > > > opinion signed by the
> > > > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > members of the district court.
> > > "Parents
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > fail to [comply with
> > > > > > > > > school
> > > > > > > > > > > enrollment laws] may be subject
> to a
> > > > > > > criminal complaint against
> > > > > > > > them,
> > > > > > > > > > > found
> > > > > > > > > > > guilty of an infraction, and
> subject
> > > to
> > > > > > > imposition of fines or an
> > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > complete a parent education and
> > > > > counseling
> > > > > > > program."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Phillip Long said he believes
> the
> > > ruling
> > > > > > > stems from hostility
> > > > > > > > against
> > > > > > > > > > > Christians and vowed to appeal
> to
> > > the
> > > > > state
> > > > > > > Supreme Court.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "I have sincerely held religious
> > > > > beliefs,"
> > > > > > > he said. "Public schools
> > > > > > > > > > > conflict
> > > > > > > > > > > with that. I have to go with
> what my
> > > > > > > conscience requires me."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Public schools teach such topics
> as
> > > > > > > evolution, which Long said he
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > > believe in. He said his wife
> spends
> > > six
> > > > > > > hours each day teaching
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > children reading, writing, math,
> > > > > science,
> > > > > > > health, physical
> > > > > > > > education,
> > > > > > > > > > > Bible
> > > > > > > > > > > and social studies. Court papers
> say
> > > > > Mary
> > > > > > > Long's education ended at
> > > > > > > > > 11th
> > > > > > > > > > > grade.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It's unclear if the ruling will
> be
> > > > > enforced,
> > > > > > > given the likely
> > > > > > > > appeals.
> > > > > > > > > > > Typically, these rulings take
> effect
> > > 30
> > > > > days
> > > > > > > after they are issued.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Other organizations that plan to
> get
> > > > > > > involved include the Pacific
> > > > > > > > > > Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > Institute, Home School Legal
> Defense
> > > > > Assn.
> > > > > > > and the Home School Assn.
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > California.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, state Department of
> > > > > Education's
> > > > > > > attorneys are reviewing
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > ruling.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Teachers union officials will
> also
> > > be
> > > > > > > closely monitoring the appeal.
> > > > > > > > > A.J
> > > > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > > > > > Duffy, president of United
> Teachers
> > > Los
> > > > > > > Angeles, said he agrees with
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > ruling.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "What's best for a child is to
> be
> > > taught
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > a credentialed teacher,"
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > said.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > While many educators and
> officials
> > > > > remained
> > > > > > > unfamiliar with the
> > > > > > > > ruling
> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, news about it has been
> > > sweeping
> > > > > > > websites and blogs devoted
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > > schooling. Organizations have
> been
> > > > > getting
> > > > > > > tense phone calls from
> > > > > > > > > > parents
> > > > > > > > > > > worried that they will be
> targeted.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Families who home school
> > > includethose
> > > > > whose
> > > > > > > religious beliefs
> > > > > > > > conflict
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > public schools and those whose
> > > children
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > in the entertainment
> > > > > > > > > > industry
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > have other time-consuming
> activities
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > require them to study at
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > individualized pace.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Glenn and Kathleen, a
> > > Sacramento-area
> > > > > couple
> > > > > > > who requested that
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > > name not be used for fear of
> > > > > prosecution,
> > > > > > > home school their
> > > > > > > > 9-year-old
> > > > > > > > > > son
> > > > > > > > > > > Hunter because their Christian
> > > beliefs
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be contradicted in a
> > > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > > school setting, Glenn said. He
> is
> > > > > troubled
> > > > > > > by the idea that his son
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > exposed to teachings about
> > > evolution,
> > > > > > > homosexuality, same-sex
> > > > > > > > marriage
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > sex education .
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "I want to have control over
> what
> > > goes
> > > > > in my
> > > > > > > son's head, not what's
> > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > there by people who might be on
> the
> > > far
> > > > > left
> > > > > > > who have their own
> > > > > > > > ideas
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > indoctrinating kids," he said.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If the ruling takes effect,
> Glenn
> > > vowed
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > move his family out of
> > > > > > > > > state.
> > > > > > > > > > > "If
> > > > > > > > > > > I can't home school my son in
> > > > > California,
> > > > > > > we're going to have to end
> > > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > > leaving California. That's how
> > > important
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > is to me."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > seema.mehta at latimes.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
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