[Rhodes22-list] Sailboats - Weather - Politics (Big Al, he was your governor)
petelargo
petelauritzen at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 25 17:46:09 EDT 2008
Really, you missed quite a bit then. I guess you must be talking about the
other races that chose to come here.
hparsons wrote:
>
> Sorry Pete, I didn't see any attempt by Barak to have a "nuanced
> discussion on race". Instead, I saw him excusing the faults of the race
> that he claims. He conveniently left out references to other races in
> this country that have somehow managed to overcome and prosper.
>
> petelargo wrote:
>> Amen to you and Slim.
>>
>> Personally I hate it when a politician talks to us like adults. Gimme
>> those
>> good ol dumbed-down sound-bites. And don't worry John McCain will fall
>> apart in any real debate. His chatty-cathy doll string is already
>> breaking
>> down and the real fun hasn't even started. His 'senior moments' have
>> just
>> begun, along with the memory of his lusting to be a democrat. In the
>> end,
>> all he really has is just 'more bush'.
>>
>> Don't forget George still has time to pull the economy out of the bucket
>> with his back door socialism for corporate america. Socialize the losses
>> (our tax problem) - privatize the profits (their gains). And my
>> Haliburton
>> stocks are soaring thanks to the no-bid contracts and the 17 million
>> dollars
>> an hour american hemorrhage.
>>
>> And finally, it always refreshing to hear over and over the white bread
>> take
>> on the wheat bread american experience with such authority.
>>
>> It may be political suicide to attempt a nuanced discussion on race, but
>> it
>> does take courage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning, friends.
>>>
>>> Slim has a very interesting point here.
>>>
>>> Those of us who believe that the Republican machine
>>> has taken us in the wrong direction on a number of
>>> major issues are interested in changing horses --
>>> in mid-stream if necessary.
>>>
>>> The focus is on change, and Obama has a good grip on
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Like Slim, my father and his contemporaries were
>>> racist ethnophobes. Initially, up to the age of 25
>>> or so, I bought their values. Then I wound up
>>> thinking for myself, and questioning things. That
>>> has led to a rather different view of the world.
>>>
>>> Now I live in the uncertain territory between "is"
>>> and "ought to be" -- depressing, exhilarating,
>>> tragic, dangerous, and the ultimate comedy.
>>>
>>> In our system of government, parties can assume too
>>> important a role, but they are the current reality,
>>> good and evil simultaneously.
>>>
>>> /Robert
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brad,
>>>>
>>>> Let me get this straight. You think Obama's toast because he knows
>>>> some
>>>> one
>>>> who's angry about the black experience in America? Or he knows some
>>>> one
>>>> who
>>>> knows some one who knows some one who likes Farrakhan? This guilt by
>>>> association is a lot of BS. Do you really think Obama's a racist
>>>> extremist? Do you really think he's a Muslim? A commy? Do you really
>>>> think he has some hidden, anti-American agenda? First, he's just as
>>>> much
>>>> white as he is black. Why not call him a white man? Next, let's
>>>> remember
>>>> that the USA has not exactly been kind to blacks and I think it's
>>>> pretty
>>>> easy for us white folks to dismiss Rev. Wright's comments as racist,
>>>> but
>>>> he
>>>> (Wright) is not wrong when he says America is controlled by rich white
>>>> men
>>>> to the exclusion of blacks. If you were black, I'm sure you'd have a
>>>> whole
>>>> different take on the American experience. But it's almost impossible
>>>> for
>>>> the typical white person to see that.
>>>>
>>>> I do not use the word "typical" lightly. Neither does Obama. Of
>>>> course
>>>> there is such a thing. We all have our own bias. It's like the
>>>> default
>>>> setting on your computer. If you told me a story about a person who...
>>>> I
>>>> would automatically think you're telling me about a middle-aged,
>>>> middle-class white male because that's my default bias. I can't change
>>>> that. I can't change who I am. And of course there's nothing wrong
>>>> with
>>>> that. It's when you get to the stereotypes and prejudice (root word is
>>>> pre-judge) that we get into trouble. This is where Rev. Wright got
>>>> into
>>>> trouble--by letting his bias lean into the stereotypes and prejudice
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> think Obama made that very clear in his now-famous speech addressing
>>>> race
>>>> in
>>>> America. The only road to success is to be positive instead of
>>>> divisive.
>>>>
>>>> I know what the right is asking here--how can you damn America when
>>>> she's
>>>> sending you a welfare check every month? The left is saying we
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> have to send the checks if we didn't have such an inhospitable
>>>> environment
>>>> for them. This paradox will not be solved anytime soon but I truly
>>>> believe
>>>> Obama's got the issue well-organized in his head and has the guts to
>>>> fight
>>>> the good fight against this ugly monster of racism that is still so
>>>> prevalent in our great but could be greater country.
>>>>
>>>> To put it in another perspective, my own dear old dad is a
>>>> dyed-in-the-wool
>>>> right winger and many times I've heard him utter extremely racist
>>>> remarks,
>>>> the specifics of which I'm far too polite to repeat here. Were I a
>>>> candidate and his remarks were leaked to the public, I suppose my
>>>> campaign
>>>> would be over. After all, he's not merely my pastor, he's my flesh and
>>>> blood. I could hardly deny that he's been my mentor. I love my dad no
>>>> matter what trash he talks but many would conclude that I'm a racist
>>>> too
>>>> by
>>>> association. Is that fair?
>>>>
>>>> Next question: who said the world is fair? Maybe you're right, Brad,
>>>> and
>>>> he
>>>> is toast because of this. Or maybe the general population forgets all
>>>> about
>>>> this by the time of the general election. People have pretty short
>>>> memories. Either way it doesn't speak very well for the typical
>>>> American
>>>> voter if they vote one way or the other based on this single issue.
>>>> Many
>>>> will not vote for Obama because he's (half) black. Many will not vote
>>>> for
>>>> HillBilly because she's female. Many will not vote for McCain because
>>>> he's
>>>> old. I think you're in the minority though if you're voting
>>>> *for*something--most people vote
>>>> *against* something--myself included--I'll be voting against the
>>>> incumbent
>>>> party.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Captain Rummy,
>>>>> The list is quiet because of the weather. Brad sailed his boat to
>>>>>
>>>> his
>>>>
>>>>> house... And how much snow did you get this afternoon? It was snowing
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> Wahalla around 2 P.M.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe all the snow in Upstate New York has kept the New York
>>>>>
>>>> Rhodies
>>>>
>>>>> quiet about their former Governor and for that matter their current
>>>>> Governor... Apparently they both have the same problem, only one was
>>>>> caught
>>>>> by wire tap...
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on now, Obama is not toast. He still has some Rhodies in his
>>>>> following. You never heard those Rhodies disclaim him. They probably
>>>>> enjoyed Rev. Wright's sermons. You should send those sermons to Bill
>>>>> Effros
>>>>> and ask him to comment. Maybe those Rhodies can get Rev. Wright to
>>>>>
>>>> preach
>>>>
>>>>> at their boat launchings. They probably enjoy those UTubes:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>> See this:
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p16262834/cloth.gif cloth.gif
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, the list is slow to take advantage of 'global warming' and
>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>> starting the season early. I'll take advantage of the lull and fire
>>>>>
>>>> some
>>>>
>>>>> shots at something other than squirrels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Economy - Business runs in cycles, get it? There's always the 'next
>>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>>> thing' and when it falls flat on its ass, there's always 'the next
>>>>> best
>>>>> thing'. If you have half a brain you understand this cycle. If you
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>> 1/4 a brain, you worry about recessions. Don't believe anything
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> says
>>>>> about our current economy. We're in a recession! Either the sky is
>>>>> falling
>>>>> or stocks are on sale! I'm buying!
>>>>>
>>>>> Politics - Obama is toast! You don't win 'white' votes lecturing them
>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>> how their grandmother was a 'racist'. This guy will be lucky to get
>>>>> re-elected to the Senate from Illinois. Trust me on this, a lot of
>>>>>
>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> in downstate IL would love to have their vote back. He doesn't stand
>>>>> a
>>>>> chance in the general as POTUS and is a footnote in Illinois politics
>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sailing - the cost is going up! Sails are made from oil based
>>>>> products
>>>>> and
>>>>> you'll see the price increases at replacement time. On the other
>>>>> hand,
>>>>>
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>>> fuel budget for five years of sailing is still less than $200 (not
>>>>> counting
>>>>> the cost of getting to/from the boat). Just when you lose faith in
>>>>> the
>>>>> world, you realize there are a few good men like Stan Spitzer who
>>>>> build
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> superior product that everyone can enjoy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a nice day and 'don't worry, be happy!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
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