[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

Fri May 2 16:56:02 EDT 2008

Herb,

I think that you are trying to make the following argument:

If a statement about someone else (not a list member) offends you due to 
your beliefs, that makes the statement inconsiderate (of you) and should 
therefore be treated the same as an insult directed at a list member.

Herb, you never cease to amaze me.  I would have expected that kind of 
reasoning from some others but not you.  Sorry, maybe I still misunderstand 
you.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 
4:41 PM
> Sorry Michael. Maybe you misunderstood my reaction. I was offended.
> Thus, the message about the President wasn't very "considerate". I agree
> that criticism of the President has become a sport. One shouldn't play
> unless they're ready to play.
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> I agree with you that respect for the President (whether or not I voted 
>> for
>> him) is required.  Even if I disagree with his performance, actions, etc. 
>> he
>> is THE PRESIDENT.  Criticism of the President has become a "sport" in 
>> this
>> country (just tune in to late night TV comedians) and is permitted by 
>> most
>> of us as a freedom, whether you and I support it or not.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the problem that you cite is not covered by the list 
>> charter.
>> The charter states "Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be
>> considerate of other readers."  Unless POTUS is a member of this list, 
>> your
>> objection is unfounded, while offending those who are members of "da 
>> list"
>> is clearly forbidden.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 
>> 4:14
>> PM
>>
>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal attacks." Some idiot gets
>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a "son of a bitch", and
>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser because of his pathetic
>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his military service, but have 
>>>> never
>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that privileged children live
>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since it's already Friday and I
>>>> have a  ton
>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be actively on the list, I 
>>>> will
>>>> leave
>>>> with this parting comment. Our current president is the dumbest son of 
>>>> a
>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. History will back me up on
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> rlowe at vt.edu
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody  questioned his service, Herb.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From:  "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34  AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in history
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And,  I'll add, bitch all you want to about his politics. When you
>>>>> insult
>>>>>  his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was what was pathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb's a big  boy and can defend himself, so I'll let him.  I too 
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> his
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  > frustrations at times though.  The carrier landing was a 
>>>>> celebration
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good long  while in support 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to  have been visited by their
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Commander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on  their faces.  President Bush didn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> immediately
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> rush for  the Admiral's quarters, he spent a lot of time with the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> 'grunts'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  > taking photos, hugging them, etc.  It was obvious they loved having
>>>>> him
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to be an  American.  Was it 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> political event as well?   Everything a politician does is a 
>>>>>> political
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> event.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  > Today's newspaper is the first draft of history and often wrong in
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> reporting and analysis.  Go read a newspaper from 1948  to 1952 and 
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> how
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time.  Some  people are so jaded by their 
>>>>>> BDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> (Bush
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome)  that they can't see anything positive in
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> You
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> are  probably a classic case.  Bush's term is almost over and it 
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are taking delight in  the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> difficulty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering because  it suits their
>>>>>> political
>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end.  Frankly, I don't think we should
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the  deployments we did under Clinton, and I
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> still don't  like the Clintons.  That said, I want to see any
>>>>>> engagement
>>>>>>  where we put our troops in harm's way to go well regardless of how I
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> personally feel about the commander.  My guess is, Herb  gets upset 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> same reasons I do.  Bitch about Bush  is you want, it's a free 
>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> The
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> men and women on that  boat that day risked their lives so you can do
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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