[Rhodes22-list] This day in history
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Fri May 2 18:57:03 EDT 2008
See, THAT was the Bush that I voted for. I think he got too politically
scared to offend libs and/or the press, and lost a lot of that.
Brad Haslett wrote:
> I think both Herb and W are capable of defending themselves, so I'll let
> them. Here's an example of the latter.
>
> http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/fish_barrel_bang/straighttalk_bu.php
>
> Today I read an account of a soldier at a town hall meeting in North
> Carolina. He had just returned from Iraq and related his pride of serving
> and his unit's accomplishments. He said, "I didn't know we were losing the
> war until I returned home". Those of us who follow the war closely do
> notice a disconnect between the MSM coverage and the observations of those
> on the frontline.
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> I tried to listen and make sense of your reasoning, obviously without
>> success.
>>
>> If you wish to enlighten me (or anyone else who is still reading this
>> thread), you may choose to respond but please try to state your argument
>> carefully and without insult.
>>
>> Sometimes, I wonder if you just bait some of us so that you can attempt to
>> belittle us with your response.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008
>> 5:55
>> PM
>>
>>> Nope, you missed again.
>>>
>>> But I DO want to make sure I understand YOU correctly.
>>>
>>> You interpret my statement the way you wish (incorrectly, I might add),
>>> then stand in amazement.
>>>
>>> So, your thoughts amaze you.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised.
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> I think that you are trying to make the following argument:
>>>>
>>>> If a statement about someone else (not a list member) offends you due
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> your beliefs, that makes the statement inconsiderate (of you) and
>>>>
>> should
>>
>>>> therefore be treated the same as an insult directed at a list member.
>>>>
>>>> Herb, you never cease to amaze me. I would have expected that kind of
>>>> reasoning from some others but not you. Sorry, maybe I still
>>>> misunderstand
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Friday, May 02,
>>>>
>> 2008
>>
>>>> 4:41 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Michael. Maybe you misunderstood my reaction. I was offended.
>>>>> Thus, the message about the President wasn't very "considerate". I
>>>>>
>> agree
>>
>>>>> that criticism of the President has become a sport. One shouldn't play
>>>>> unless they're ready to play.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you that respect for the President (whether or not I
>>>>>>
>> voted
>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> him) is required. Even if I disagree with his performance, actions,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> is THE PRESIDENT. Criticism of the President has become a "sport" in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> country (just tune in to late night TV comedians) and is permitted by
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> of us as a freedom, whether you and I support it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, the problem that you cite is not covered by the list
>>>>>> charter.
>>>>>> The charter states "Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be
>>>>>> considerate of other readers." Unless POTUS is a member of this
>>>>>>
>> list,
>>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> objection is unfounded, while offending those who are members of "da
>>>>>> list"
>>>>>> is clearly forbidden.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, May 02,
>>>>>>
>> 2008
>>
>>>>>> 4:14
>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal attacks." Some idiot
>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a "son of a bitch",
>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser because of his pathetic
>>>>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his military service, but have
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that privileged children
>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since it's already Friday
>>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have a ton
>>>>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be actively on the list, I
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current president is the dumbest son
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. History will back me up
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu
>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody questioned his service, Herb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in history
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, I'll add, bitch all you want to about his politics. When you
>>>>>>>>> insult
>>>>>>>>> his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was what was pathetic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb's a big boy and can defend himself, so I'll let him. I too
>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > frustrations at times though. The carrier landing was a
>>>>>>>>> celebration
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good long while in
>>>>>>>>>>
>> support
>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to have been visited by
>>>>>>>>>>
>> their
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Commander
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on their faces. President Bush didn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rush for the Admiral's quarters, he spent a lot of time with the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'grunts'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > taking photos, hugging them, etc. It was obvious they loved
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to be an American.
>>>>>>>>>>
>> Was
>>
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> political event as well? Everything a politician does is a
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Today's newspaper is the first draft of history and often wrong
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reporting and analysis. Go read a newspaper from 1948 to 1952
>>>>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time. Some people are so jaded by
>>>>>>>>>>
>> their
>>
>>>>>>>>>> BDS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Bush
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome) that they can't see anything positive in
>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are probably a classic case. Bush's term is almost over and it
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are taking delight in the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering because it suits their
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end. Frankly, I don't think we
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the deployments we did under Clinton, and I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> still don't like the Clintons. That said, I want to see any
>>>>>>>>>> engagement
>>>>>>>>>> where we put our troops in harm's way to go well regardless of
>>>>>>>>>>
>> how
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander. My guess is, Herb gets
>>>>>>>>>>
>> upset
>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> same reasons I do. Bitch about Bush is you want, it's a free
>>>>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> men and women on that boat that day risked their lives so you
>>>>>>>>>>
>> can
>>
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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