[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

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Sat May 3 11:00:56 EDT 2008


Elle,
The only reason I stay on this list is so I can argue with Herb. No other  
reason whatsoever. Please don't ask me to quit cold turkey.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:51:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
watermusic38 at yahoo.com writes:

Herb,

What I meant is that the discussion is  past the 'information' point. You are 
not changing anyone's mind & they  are not going to change yours. 

So any more  discussion is a waste of time since y'all will just continue to  
argue..

I enjoy these discussions (usually) because  of the divergent points of view 
and the (usually) intelligent discourse. But  this discussion is past that 
point.

I don't know  you, have never seen you, but what I see in my mind is you 
holding one of the  other Rhodies who disagrees with you up against a wall with 
your arm against  his throat. I don't believe this is a true depiction of you 
but that is the  image this discussion has presented.

Perhaps we  forget to remember that we are Rhodies-compatriots first; these 
discussions  just fill in the blanks until we can all get back on the  water.

'Pace,'...please.

elle





Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>  wrote:
You know elle, I'm convinced that one of the current ills of  society are 
because no one has the guts to say something that's "against  the 
majority". I'd say that this list is pretty much  left-leaning.

Rummy calls the president "dumb", and a "son of a bitch",  and that's OK.

I call him on it, and I should "give it a  rest"

Ed is regularly called all sorts of rude names on here, and  that's cool 
(because so many think he's rude)

I see a rude  statement about the President, and give back what he's 
giving, and I'm  chastised.

A certain unnamed user cries foul for being accused of  promoting 
socialist programs, when he talks about supporting socialist  programs, 
and we are asked to not do that anymore, since he obviously  finds it 
offensive (which, btw, I've done to this point),

But then  that same user regularly gets on her and makes snide comments 
about me,  and often to me, and it's ignored.

Frankly, I think a bunch of you guys  are hypocrites. But that's OK, it 
still makes for interesting  reading.

I'm anxious to see if/when one of the lefties on say "Hey,  that's a 
little over the top" when someone accuses a Harvard MBA and two  term 
president of being a "dumb son of a bitch".

When I DON'T see  that happen, I'm going to guess it's OK to determine 
that it probably came  from some ignorant hick, especially when it goes 
largely unsubstantiated  beyond "becuase I said so".


elle wrote:
> Do ya think ya can  give it a rest?
>
> 'Nytol...'
>
> elle
> ---  Herb Parsons wrote:
>
> 
>> I'm sure that the quantity  has ensured that. Betcha
>> that the President 
>> could say  the same.
>>
>> But you didn't answer either question, you  simply
>> side-stepped them.
>>
>> Would insulting  your mother break those rules that
>> you talk about?
>>  Where does one draw the line?
>> If I say there's no doubt in my mind  that President
>> Bush, who was smart 
>> enough to get a  Masters from Harvard, is smarter
>> than you - HAVE I 
>>  insulted you, and does that break protocol?
>>
>> I suspect  it's much easier to talk about the "dumb"
>> "son of a bitch"  
>> than it is to actually show how you're  better.
>>
>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>  
>>> Herb,
>>> I've been insulted by better people  than you. Keep
>>> 
>> trying as you will, this  
>> 
>>> president is a joke.
>>>  
>>> Rummy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a  message dated 5/2/2008 10:06:25 P.M. Eastern
>>> 
>>  Daylight Time, 
>> 
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com  writes:
>>>
>>> As I mentioned to another member, does  that mean
>>> 
>> insulting your mother 
>>  
>>> is OK as well? Where do you draw the line  Rummy?
>>> 
>> And, if I say there's 
>>  
>>> no doubt in my mind that that President George  W
>>> 
>> Bush, who was "smart 
>>  
>>> enough" to get a Masters in Business
>>>  
>> Administration from Harvard 
>> 
>>>  Business school, is undoubtedly smarter than you,
>>> 
>>  does that mean I've 
>> 
>>> broken protocol by insulting  you?
>>>
>>> Oh well, too  bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>  Herb,
>>>> The last time I checked, Bush was not a member  of
>>>> 
>> this list, so calling 
>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> him  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> a son of a bitch is  acceptable.
>>>> 
>>>> Rummy
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 4:15:44  P.M. Eastern
>>>> 
>> Daylight Time, 
>>  
>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com  writes:
>>>>
>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions  about "personal
>>>> 
>> attacks." Some idiot gets  
>> 
>>>> on here and calls the President of the  Nation a
>>>> 
>> "son of a bitch", and 
>>  
>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a  loser
>>>> 
>> because of his pathetic 
>>  
>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad  stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>  
>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned  his
>>>>> 
>> military service, but have  
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>> never 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that  
>>>>> 
>> privileged children live 
>>  
>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military.  Since
>>>>> 
>> it's already Friday and I  
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>> have a ton 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> of yard wok  to do this weekend and won't be
>>>>> 
>> actively  on the list, I will 
>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>> leave 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> with this parting comment. Our  current 
>>>>> 
>> president is the dumbest son of  a 
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>  bitch that's ever taken the oath of office.
>>>>>  
>> History will back me up on 
>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>  this.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Rummy
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43  P.M.
>>>>> 
>> Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>> rlowe at vt.edu 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>>  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody questioned his  service, Herb.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original  Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons"  
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"  
>>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>>  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] This day in 
>>>>> 
>>  history
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  And, I'll add, bitch all you want to about
>>>>>>  
>> his politics. When you 
>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>> insult
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>> his service, you're being a  jerk. THAT was
>>>>>> 
>> what was  pathetic.
>> 
>>>>>> Brad Haslett  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  Rob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb's a  big boy and can defend himself, so
>>>>>>>  
>> I'll let him. I too 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> feel
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  his
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> > frustrations at  times though. The carrier
>>>>>> 
>> landing was  a celebration 
>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>> for
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>  the
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> men and women who  had been at sea for a good
>>>>>>> 
>> long  while in support of
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  the
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation.  They were honored to have 
>>>>>>> 
>> been  visited by their
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  Commander
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on their faces.  
>>>>>>> 
>> President Bush  didn't
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  immediately
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>>> rush for the Admiral's quarters, he spent a  
>>>>>>> 
>> lot of time with the
>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>> 'grunts'
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>> > taking photos, hugging them, etc. It  was
>>>>>> 
>> obvious they loved having  
>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>> him
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> aboard and  watching it live made me proud to
>>>>>>> 
>>  be an American. Was it 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> a
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>> political event as well?  Everything a 
>>>>>>> 
>> politician does is  a political
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  event.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  > Today's newspaper is the first draft of
>>>>>>  
>> history and often wrong in 
>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>  the
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> reporting and  analysis. Go read a newspaper
>>>>>>> 
>>  from 1948 to 1952 and 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> see
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  how
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> popular Truman was  at the time. Some 
>>>>>>> 
>> people are so  jaded by their 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> BDS
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  (Bush
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome) that they can't  see
>>>>>>> 
>> anything positive in  
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>> anything.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>> You
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>>> are probably a classic case. Bush's  term
>>>>>>> 
>> is almost over and it might  
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>> be
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>>  time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's 
>>>>>>>  
>> problems.
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics  are
>>>>>>> 
>> taking delight in  the
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  difficulty
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>>> and losses our military is  encountering
>>>>>>> 
>> because it suits  their 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>> political
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off  to no end. Frankly,
>>>>>>> 
>> I don't think  we should 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> have
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the  deployments we did
>>>>>>> 
>> under Clinton,  and I 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> didn't
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  and
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> still don't like the  Clintons. That said,
>>>>>>> 
>> I want to  see any 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> engagement
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>> where we put our troops in  harm's way to go 
>>>>>>> 
>> well regardless  of how I 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>> may
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>>>> personally feel about  the commander. My
>>>>>>> 
>> guess is, Herb  gets upset 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> for
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  the
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> same reasons I do.  Bitch about Bush is you
>>>>>>> 
>> want,  it's a free 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> country.
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>  The
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> men and women on  that boat that day risked 
>>>>>>> 
>> their  lives so you can do 
>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>> so.
>>>  
>>> 
>>>>>>>  Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
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