[Rhodes22-list] This day in history

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sat May 3 11:49:33 EDT 2008 

Herb,
  >I pretty regularly see all sort of rudeness on here, and of late, it seems that those of a >certain political persuasion are the ones that are asked to turn peacemakers.
   
  Yes, that appears to be true....but someone has to be first to stop....and there's a lot to be said for the reasoned individual who sees the need to put an end to the discussion.  
   
  It's hard....everyone wants to have the last word...(don't I know...;^)
   
  elle
   
  


Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
  I do hope you'll allow me to respectfully disagree with your 
vision/view. I pretty regularly see all sort of rudeness on here, and of 
late, it seems that those of a certain political persuasion are the ones 
that are asked to turn peacemakers.

In this case, the discussion never hit the "information" point, and 
while I agree that I won't likely change anyone's mind about the main 
topic (c'mon, few, if any, of these discussions ever do that), I would 
like to think that there might be at least one or two folks out there 
that read the discussions and think "Maybe calling ANYONE I don't know a 
'dumb son of a bitch" is a bit over the line".


elle wrote:
> Herb,
> 
> What I meant is that the discussion is past the 'information' point. You are not changing anyone's mind & they are not going to change yours. 
> 
> So any more discussion is a waste of time since y'all will just continue to argue..
> 
> I enjoy these discussions (usually) because of the divergent points of view and the (usually) intelligent discourse. But this discussion is past that point.
> 
> I don't know you, have never seen you, but what I see in my mind is you holding one of the other Rhodies who disagrees with you up against a wall with your arm against his throat. I don't believe this is a true depiction of you but that is the image this discussion has presented.
> 
> Perhaps we forget to remember that we are Rhodies-compatriots first; these discussions just fill in the blanks until we can all get back on the water.
> 
> 'Pace,'...please.
> 
> elle
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Herb Parsons wrote:
> You know elle, I'm convinced that one of the current ills of society are 
> because no one has the guts to say something that's "against the 
> majority". I'd say that this list is pretty much left-leaning.
>
> Rummy calls the president "dumb", and a "son of a bitch", and that's OK.
>
> I call him on it, and I should "give it a rest"
>
> Ed is regularly called all sorts of rude names on here, and that's cool 
> (because so many think he's rude)
>
> I see a rude statement about the President, and give back what he's 
> giving, and I'm chastised.
>
> A certain unnamed user cries foul for being accused of promoting 
> socialist programs, when he talks about supporting socialist programs, 
> and we are asked to not do that anymore, since he obviously finds it 
> offensive (which, btw, I've done to this point),
>
> But then that same user regularly gets on her and makes snide comments 
> about me, and often to me, and it's ignored.
>
> Frankly, I think a bunch of you guys are hypocrites. But that's OK, it 
> still makes for interesting reading.
>
> I'm anxious to see if/when one of the lefties on say "Hey, that's a 
> little over the top" when someone accuses a Harvard MBA and two term 
> president of being a "dumb son of a bitch".
>
> When I DON'T see that happen, I'm going to guess it's OK to determine 
> that it probably came from some ignorant hick, especially when it goes 
> largely unsubstantiated beyond "becuase I said so".
>
>
> elle wrote:
> 
>> Do ya think ya can give it a rest?
>>
>> 'Nytol...'
>>
>> elle
>> --- Herb Parsons wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I'm sure that the quantity has ensured that. Betcha
>>> that the President 
>>> could say the same.
>>>
>>> But you didn't answer either question, you simply
>>> side-stepped them.
>>>
>>> Would insulting your mother break those rules that
>>> you talk about?
>>> Where does one draw the line?
>>> If I say there's no doubt in my mind that President
>>> Bush, who was smart 
>>> enough to get a Masters from Harvard, is smarter
>>> than you - HAVE I 
>>> insulted you, and does that break protocol?
>>>
>>> I suspect it's much easier to talk about the "dumb"
>>> "son of a bitch" 
>>> than it is to actually show how you're better.
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> Herb,
>>>> I've been insulted by better people than you. Keep
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> trying as you will, this 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> president is a joke.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 10:06:25 P.M. Eastern
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> Daylight Time, 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned to another member, does that mean
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> insulting your mother 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> is OK as well? Where do you draw the line Rummy?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> And, if I say there's 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> no doubt in my mind that that President George W
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> Bush, who was "smart 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> enough" to get a Masters in Business
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> Administration from Harvard 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> Business school, is undoubtedly smarter than you,
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> does that mean I've 
>>>
>>> 
>>>> broken protocol by insulting you?
>>>>
>>>> Oh well, too bad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>> The last time I checked, Bush was not a member of
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>> this list, so calling 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> him 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> a son of a bitch is acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 4:15:44 P.M. Eastern
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>> Daylight Time, 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>> attacks." Some idiot gets 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>> "son of a bitch", and 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>> because of his pathetic 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> military service, but have 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> never 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> privileged children live 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> it's already Friday and I 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> have a ton 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> actively on the list, I will 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> leave 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> president is the dumbest son of a 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> History will back me up on 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody questioned his service, Herb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" 
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>> history
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And, I'll add, bitch all you want to about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>> his politics. When you 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> insult
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>> his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>> what was pathetic.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb's a big boy and can defend himself, so
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> I'll let him. I too 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> feel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> frustrations at times though. The carrier
>>>>>>>> 
>>> landing was a celebration 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> long while in support of
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to have 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> been visited by their
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Commander
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on their faces. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> President Bush didn't
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> rush for the Admiral's quarters, he spent a 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> lot of time with the
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 'grunts'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> taking photos, hugging them, etc. It was
>>>>>>>> 
>>> obvious they loved having 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> him
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> be an American. Was it 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> political event as well? Everything a 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> politician does is a political
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Today's newspaper is the first draft of
>>>>>>>> 
>>> history and often wrong in 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> reporting and analysis. Go read a newspaper
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> from 1948 to 1952 and 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> see
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time. Some 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> people are so jaded by their 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> BDS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Bush
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome) that they can't see
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> anything positive in 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> are probably a classic case. Bush's term
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> is almost over and it might 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> taking delight in the
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> because it suits their 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> political
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end. Frankly,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> I don't think we should 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the deployments we did
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> under Clinton, and I 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> didn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> still don't like the Clintons. That said,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> I want to see any 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> engagement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> where we put our troops in harm's way to go 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> well regardless of how I 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> may
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander. My
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> guess is, Herb gets upset 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> same reasons I do. Bitch about Bush is you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> want, it's a free 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> men and women on that boat that day risked 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>> their lives so you can do 
>>>
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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