[Rhodes22-list] political: CNN Poll Finds Rhodes 22 Owner As#1Political Irritant

Mon May 5 22:22:11 EDT 2008

Hank, I just wish that you were right about it being just my words.
Actually, it is being attributed to Bush, which is far more alarming,
hence the quotation marks.  I would not say that myself, and I wish
he had not, if indeed he did.

http://runamuckster.blogspot.com/2005/12/scissorsrockjust-piece-ofpaper.html
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/A9073781-B928-4D16-8DF0-98D66E3016DB/
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Dec05/Leupp1214.htm

/Robert
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Hank wrote:
> 
> Herb,
> 
> Come on, even I recognize that he was talking "tongue-in-cheek".  Relax,
> take your meds.
> 
> Hank
> 
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> 
> > Robert,
> >
> > I personally find your views that the constitution is "just a piece of
> > paper" to be disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
> >
> > Robert Skinner wrote:
> > > Now, Pete.  You know that "The constitution is
> > > just a piece of paper," and we must all back the
> > > President without reservation, or foreign terrorists
> > > will question our will to lay down our lives,
> > > liberties, and happiness in support of the
> > > military-industrial complex that keeps us free.
> > >
> > > We must be thankful that someone has taken on the
> > > burden of deciding what is right and wrong.  It
> > > is abundantly clear that privacy and the right to
> > > be free of arbitrary arrest and detention are
> > > intolerable impediments in our death struggle with
> > > those foreigners who threaten our exercise of our
> > > freedoms.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps you get back on the right track.
> > > You need to stop challenging those who have a
> > > perfectly clear picture of that way things should be.
> > > Your questions could weaken the resolve of citizens
> > > to support our war with global terrorism, wherever it
> > > is, and however our leadership chooses to define it.
> > >
> > > Where did you get this idea that we could or
> > > would actually impeach a sitting president?
> > > Or even prosecute after him leaving office?
> > >
> > > Presidents do not commit crimes.  They may be a bit
> > > overzealous in pursuit of the national interest,
> > > which naturally coincides with their own, but they
> > > are not criminals, no matter what they do.  They are
> > > national father figures, and are automatically
> > > pardoned so that their actions do not embarrass or
> > > divide the nation.
> > >
> > > And remember, our leadership has decided that the
> > > old namby-pamby restrictions on interrogation methods
> > > do not apply to terrorists.  If you are not for our
> > > leadership, you are against it -- and could be
> > > declared a terrorist.
> > >
> > > Remember that.
> > >
> > > /Robert (cum grano salis)
> > >
> > > petelargo wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just got back from 3 day cruise in the florida keys. It was awesome.
> > Then,
> > >> Herb, I saw your posts. You ask me for my sources (verbally denigrating
> > me
> > >> and doubting that I even have them). Then when I give them to you, you
> > don't
> > >> like them or go "so what". It seems as if you are just going to hide
> > behind
> > >> the 3 monkeys rule and regurgitate your views (while acting like you
> > are the
> > >> only one without an agenda-laughable by itself).
> > >>
> > >> I don;t know what it means that the troops supported Ron Paul as their
> > >> number one candidate. I just thought  it was interesting that they did.
> > >> Don't you think it's interesting that they supported a fringe candidate
> > like
> > >> him? It's open for discussion. But it's true as I said it was. Why,
> > why,
> > >> why.
> > >>
> > >> When ANY politician hides their past records it is a red flag for
> > concern.
> > >> Lack of transparency in politics is the road to ALL evils. And again it
> > is a
> > >> fact that Bush made his service records confidential. Why, why why.
> > >>
> > >> You are not up to date on the illegality of Bushes DOMESTIC
> > wiretapping.  Or
> > >> again you are hiding behind the 3 monkeys rule (see no..hear no.. speak
> > no..
> > >> about Bush). And yes I am doing something about it as a supporting
> > member of
> > >> IMPEACHBUSH.ORG. However, I have made it clear that if Bush is caught
> > in a
> > >> proper sex scandal I will immediately drop my membership.
> > >>
> > >> data for all your illegal domestic wiretapping reading needs:
> > >> http://thewall.civiblog.org/rsf/house_nsabrief_docs_012006.html
> > >>
> > >> 1) "Now, I want to be absolutely clear. What the President ordered in
> > this
> > >> case was a crime.... and we have to deal with that as citizens and,
> > >> unfortunately, You have to deal with that as Members of
> > Congress....Now,
> > >> Members that stay silent are making a choice.  Very few Members have
> > faced
> > >> this type of test of Faith.  But You are facing it now, and as Citizens
> > and
> > >> as Members, it's now up to us.  We are called to account to the many
> > >> benefits that we have gotten from this system. We are called to account
> > to
> > >> do something, and not to remain silent."
> > >> Jonathan Turley
> > >> Professor of Constitutional Law,
> > >> George Washington University
> > >>
> > >> 2) "...so indiscriminate and sweeping a scheme of domestic intrusion
> > into
> > >> the private communications of American citizens, predicated entirely on
> > the
> > >> unchecked judgment of the Executive Branch, violates the Fourth
> > Amendment
> > >> 'right of the people to be secure . . . against unreasonable searches
> > and
> > >> seizures' even if it otherwise represents an exercise of constitutional
> > >> power entrusted to the President by Article II or delegated to the
> > President
> > >> by Congress in exercising its powers under Article I......the argument
> > >> goes... Invasion of that citizenâEUR^(TM)s privacy was, alas, but one
> > of warâEUR^(TM)s sad
> > >> side effects âEUR" a species of collateral damage. The technical legal
> > term for
> > >> that, I believe, is poppycock. âEUR?
> > >>
> > >> Laurence H. Tribe
> > >> Professor of Constitutional Law
> > >> Harvard University
> > >>
> > >> 3) "...it is not simply a claim that the President has the sole power
> > to
> > >> decide which laws to violate and when to go outside the judicial power,
> > but
> > >> that he has the power to do so in secret....until the New York Times
> > >> reviewed this program, he withheld the fact from the American people
> > that
> > >> his view was that FISA did not limit his powers.  He secretly believed
> > that
> > >> he had broader authority than was laid out in the public statutes, but
> > he
> > >> withheld and misled the American people about that view of his own
> > >> powers......examine what kind of misleading statements, if not
> > deception,
> > >> were put before the Congress in connection with thisâEUR?
> > >> Kate Martin
> > >> Director
> > >> Center for National Security Studies
> > >>
> > >> 4) "...when Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
> > in
> > >> 1978, it expressly rejected the PresidentâEUR^(TM)s claim of inherent
> > authority to
> > >> conduct warrantless wiretaps. It then went further and made it a crime
> > to
> > >> conduct such wiretaps. The President has acted contrary to the express
> > will
> > >> of the Congress. The Supreme Court has never approved a claim of
> > >> presidential authority to authorize acts outlawed by the Congress.âEUR?
> > >>
> > >> Kate Martin
> > >> Director
> > >> Center for National Security Studies
> > >>
> > >> 5) "...under his interpretation ... he could suspend the writ of habeas
> > >> corpus, ... saying: This authorization enabled me to do anything in
> > >> furtherance of the war effort. I can suspend the writ of habeas corpus
> > >> unilaterally even though Congress hasn't ...He could authorize breaking
> > and
> > >> entering of homes in order to secure intelligence to fight the war
> > against
> > >> terrorism, despite the fact that there is an authorized procedure in an
> > >> amendment to FISA that governs physical searches......the principle
> > that the
> > >> President has established here, if gone unchecked, will, as Justice
> > Robert
> > >> Jackson said, lie around like a loaded gun and be utilized by any
> > future
> > >> incumbent who claims a need. And the history of power teaches us one
> > thing,
> > >> that if it's unchecked, it will be abused.âEUR?
> > >>
> > >> Bruce Fein
> > >> Deputy Assistant Attorney General
> > >> Reagan Administration
> > >>
> > >> 6) "In each case the presidentâEUR^(TM)s answer has been the same ...
> > Courts and
> > >> Congress have little or no place to question his decisions....it is
> > >> nonetheless a dangerous path for our nation. Our laws provide ample
> > tools
> > >> for fighting terrorism without eroding basic liberties. No one, not
> > even a
> > >> wartime president, is above the lawâEUR?
> > >> Michael S. Greco
> > >> President,  American Bar Association
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >>
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